If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. - Abraham Maslow
Hello all. Welcome back to The Disciplinary Couple’s Club. Our weekly on-line gathering of men and women who are in, or would like to be in, a Domestic Discipline relationship.
Once again, before we get started, I would like to thank the Disciplinary Wives who have recently joined us and to extend an invitation to all others who may be inclined to move from “lurker” to “commenter” status. We like having you around.
Another housekeeping point before we get started: We seem to be getting an influx of anonymous comments. Which is fine, but please comply with the instructions at the bottom of the comment section, which include using a name or initials when commenting. It helps us all keep track of who we are replying to and also helps establish a stronger sense of community among group members.
I hope you all had a great week. Mine was pretty busy dealing with some medical stuff (nothing serious) and some hobby stuff. The medical stuff included some routine but yucky medical tests (all good), plus an injection for my ongoing knee problems. The shoulder I wrecked last summer is also relatively pain-free right now thanks to another injection. And, I finally seem to have gotten past a cycle of infections, including the flu and a couple of sinus infections. So, for the first time in almost four months, I’m feeling good and am mostly pain-free. Hopefully, it’s the beginning of a new, better trajectory and a good set up for an active spring.
I reported last week on the vacation Anne and I took a couple of weeks ago, which included a doctor’s housecall to our hotel. As I recounted, Anne ended up getting a shot in the butt. The prospect that I might get the same created a potentially embarrassing situation, as Anne had given me a hairbrush spanking a couple of days before. As it turned out, there was no cause for alarm, as the doctor decided I didn’t need a shot. Further, because the spanking had been with a hairbrush, I knew that it was unlikely that I actually had any significant marking or shading.
What I didn’t report was that I was worried that there might still be some residual marking from some experimentation we did the week before we left, with a heavy, dense, synthetic cane.
As I’ve related a few times, we tried caning a handful of times early on in our DD relationship, but it didn’t seem to work for us. Anne found it awkward, and it just didn’t really hurt very much.
However, the same thing could be said for our earliest DD experimentation, which centered on the OTK position with a hairbrush. It just didn’t seem effective, so we moved on to other things. A couple of years ago, however, we tried it again. Although the hairbrush was still only moderately impactful (though it hurt way more than when we tried several years before), Anne quickly became able to deliver a mean swing with the bath brush in the OTK position. It has been our go-to position ever since.
The bath brush hurts like hell, even OTK. But, the one thing that combination doesn’t deliver is marks that last. In recent years, I just don’t bruise or mark very much. I do think I am getting bruised from a hard bath brushing, but it’s at a deeper level, resulting in some gray shading that may last several days, plus a deep, achy reminder that the bath brush is a very capable instrument.
I don’t know exactly why, but I miss the prominent marking/bruising I experienced in the first few years of our DD relationship. A bruised butt and deep residual soreness served as a multi-day reminder of our new hierarchy and my humbled place in it. Welts would be a perfectly acceptable substitute for bruising.
Anne also seemed to get some perverse pleasure from a visual representation of a job well done. Conversely, there have been a few times in recent years that she’s expressed disappointment when, a day after a hard spanking, there wasn’t much visual evidence that she had, in fact, spanked me hard.
Hence, I started thinking that
we should try the cane again. My renewed
interest was also stimulated from some of your comments from several weeks ago.
I didn’t do a great job of documenting who contributed them, but it was a mix
of comments from ZM and Merk Smith. Here are some snippets:
ZM: The cane is able to cause real fear, at least if your wife knows how to use it properly. Why is that different than other tools? Especially since even Merk said "despite although different it is not necessarily more painful than other well applied instruments." The difference is that all other spanking tools - except maybe in very rare circumstances like being spanked by a tennis champion - rely on repetition to cause their maximum pain. Also Merk: "One good cane stroke on a bare bottom will leave a welt that will be lumpy and sore to touch or in the shower for a couple of days." What other tool can do that?
The reason that matters is because if your wife knows how to cane properly, it sort of becomes a binary affair. Even one stroke is going to cause pain that will last for days, and from the moment you hear the first whistle of the cane, there is no turning back on that. With other spanking implements, she can always decide to go easy on you and end early, but once she decides to use the cane, days of pain are ensured, and the only question is "how many stripes?"
One thing that I just realized about the cane is that it can be the perfect tool to solve one of the dilemmas I have often pondered. The dilemma is that not every misdeed is worthy of a full-fledged, long, hard spanking, yet at the same time, for a spanking to even be a real punishment, it has to be sufficiently hard and long to not only be almost unbearably painful at the time but also leave at least some lasting reminder of the spanking.
The cane can solve this problem completely. Even a single well applied cane stroke with leave a burning line of fire across your bottom, and the effects will be felt for days. But at the same time, more cane strokes ramp up the whole effect dramatically. So even a single cane stroke can be used as an effective punishment for something minor and will be felt enough to be remembered for days, yet many cane strokes will result in something that will be much more unpleasant both at the time it is administered and also in the days that follow. I love paddles, but I don't think they can be used as effectively in this manner; it may be possible to hit hard enough that one paddle stroke would be felt for days, but then it would also seem like a bigger punishment since so much surface area of your bottom is hurting. At least for my wife and the way she uses the paddle, the punishment comes not so much from individual blows, but rather from the cumulative effect.
Merk Smith: Definitely ZM, one good cane stroke on a bare bottom will leave a welt that will be lumpy and sore to touch or in the shower for a couple of days. Keep adding strokes and you now have marks that will remain for more than a week, and more than six strokes will inevitably cross previous strokes... at this point you have deep bruising that will be felt every time you sit or move for more than a week.
In addition to the effect on the recipient, Donn had talked a bit about the cane’s potential effect on the wife using it:
"In my experience, a woman has never, ever really known her DD power and authority until she starts using a cane -- it's transformative. Likewise, a man never fully understands a woman's power and authority until he is at the opposite end of that cane."
Donn’s observation echoes some of Aunt Kay’s comments in her pamphlet on caning techniques. She seems to suggest that, while both are iconic, the cane has a “vibe” that is almost the exact opposite of the hairbrush used OTK. The latter is almost inherently maternal and erotic. Yet, there are times when that is not what is needed. As she put it:
Many who participate in the DWC Lifestyle actually enjoy elements of spanking and related activities. It becomes a something like a special and intimate secret between them and special trusted friends. Some of us gather occasionally for spanking events/play parties and so on. Even when corporal
punishment is being meted out with real sternness, there is still the presence of a certain loving intimacy.
Yet there will always be occasions when punishment simply means punishment; demanding a real distance between the DWC wife - as a stern disciplinarian - and husband - as offender, involving a maximum of gravity and a minimum of levity. These are the occasions when it must be resolutely demonstrated who is the boss in the situation and who must obey. At times like this nothing can best the cane as a representation of detached authority whose power is contained in its very calmness.
The power of the cane lies not just in its capacity to inflict pain of ego-exploding proportions; it lies also in the fact that when it is brought out, it indicates serious displeasure in a disciplinarian. Anyone who has even seen, let alone felt, an authentic crook-handled cane will have been at once impressed by its awe-inspiring, impersonal dignity.
This is where the cane can become the factor that really makes a difference. Topping from the bottom must be eliminated before a proper disciplinary relationship can flourish, and the cane is the supreme instrument for eliminating it. Its chilling ferocity will rid a husband of any illusion that he can retain the master key to his disciplinary relationship, and that he can duck out when it doesn’t suit him.
A single session with the cane - administered with cool assurance will eliminate once and for all any lingering idea in a man’s head that he can have his cake and eat it. He will know, standing in the corner struggling to come to terms with his spinning head and his smoldering derrière - that his fantasy world is a thing of the past. He will realize the wisdom behind the words “watch out what you wish for, you might just get it”. The genuine caning session teaches him that his wife’s disciplinary options are nothing to be trivialized. What she decides goes, and he has no say in the matter.
I gave Anne a copy of the pamphlet a few weeks ago and asked her to consider trying it again. I also set up a chair, with a pillow roped to its back, for her to practice on.
She finally gave it a try shortly before we went on vacation. It came at the end of a full OTK session with the hairbrush and bath brush. She only did about 8 strokes. The first couple were very timid. I actually had to encourage her to swing harder. The last few were hard and did hurt. Though she still lacked confidence in her swing, I did get a glimmer of the kind of concentrated pain the cane probably would deliver once she does have that confidence.
Even with the less than full-force swing, there was significant bruising. But, it was in kind of an odd place. I expected I might get some from the tip wrapping around to the hip or otherwise hitting in a usually unspanked area. Instead, I got welts where you would expect them but also an area of angry bruising right between the cheeks, near the top. How it would cause bruising there, I have no idea.
I had to give Anne a lot of reassurance about that marking and that it was okay. I’m not entirely sure why, because in the early days of DD she left some very significant bruising with wooden paddles, and it never seemed to bother her. Maybe it was just that it’s been so many years since that happened, coupled with her lack of comfort with this new tool.
Anne had also gotten it into her head that the cane should be restricted to six, evenly-spaced strokes. I think she must have skipped over this from Aunt Kay’s pamphlet:
If you are giving 6 strokes, your fifth will have landed at the tops of his thighs, and he will now have six evenly spaced welts to sit on for the next few days. If you are giving 12, then they will be closer together, but still from the middle of his bottom to the tops of his thighs. And likewise for 18 or 24. The number of strokes is for you to decide. I give 6 strokes when 6 minor offences have been committed, and I find that this keeps him very attentive to good behaviour generally, and serves as a reminder of what he'll get if he commits a more serious offence and receives 12, 18 or 24 strokes.
I usually don’t focus posts on a single instrument, and I find most of the instrument-focused topics kind of dry. But, some of the readers do seem to have a thing for canes, and given that we are just starting to experiment with them again, I’m really interested in getting input from those of you who are experienced with them. A few questions to kick things off:
Is the cane a part of your spouse’s disciplinary repertoire? If not, do you want it to be?
Do you think the cane is widely used in the US, or is it primarily an English thing? Is that because it was widely used in British schools? For those who are interested in it or use it, does its use in the traditional school setting add to the mystique?
If you use the cane, what type? Do you use traditional rattan, a synthetic material like Delrin, or both?
What thickness and length do you use?
When you use it, is it usually the only tool used during that session, or does she use it in conjunction with other instruments? If the latter, is there a particular order that seems most effective?
Do you find that the cane really is more powerful and intimidating than other instruments? Do you fear it above other instruments?
Do you experience more marking/bruising with the cane than with other instruments? Does the pain last longer?
How many strokes are usually given?
Does the fact that the strokes are delivered more silently than with other instruments play a role in your choice to use or not use it?
Thanks for your input on this. I hope it isn’t a bore for those who don’t use this particular implement. I'll close with this drawing by RedRump. While it's not F/m, I think it's one of his sexiest works.
Have a great week.
We have a traditional cane and a synthetic one, both are quite thick yet flexible. The synthetic one is our ‘go to’ travel implement as it seems to fold into carry on luggage ( and doesn’t flag to the security x-Ray system). It is very effective although my wife has not quite got the aiming right. I usually end up with wrapping bruises. I dislike the feel, impact and intensity of the ‘stripes’ more than the overall burn of the strap. The marks last for days but I still feel that the strap is more effective. We used the cane on a recent trip - twice - and it was interesting to compare with the lengthy strapping the I received this morning ( for being a pain on the return trip!)…. TB
ReplyDeleteTB, when you say you think the strap is more effective, do you mean it hurst more, or something else?
DeleteI thought about taking our synthetic cane on our recent trip, but I couldn't get it fit well in my suitcase, and I wasn't sure whether it would bend back to original shape if left bent in the bag for several hours. As it turned out, my almost-encounter with a doctor's syringe probably made leaving the cane behind a good thing.
The strap is (currently) more effective in my wife's hands in that it delivers a more 'complete' punishment with soreness all over which lasts a couple of days. This may be the number of strokes (usually c. 200) and the greater area coverage. Plus she always has me lie flat on the bed with a pillow under which means that her swing with the strap, which is quite heavy, is greatly aided by gravity. I am sure that if she insisted on a more conventional caning position and improved her caning skills then the cane would be much more effective (painful). The cane requires a much higher skill level I believe to be really effective. TB
DeleteYou're clearly right that the cane requires more skill and practice than probably any other instrument.
Delete200 strokes with a strap, TB? Yikes! I think I am out of my league here.
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I just remembered something about canes. In the pre-session interview I had with the professional disciplinarian I went to a couple of times, she asked what preferences I had for implements. I told her I was interested mainly in brushes and paddles, both of wood and leather. When I told her that I didn’t want to be caned, she said, “That’s fine. I don’t do caning. That’s a different discipline.” I didn’t ask her why she put caning in a separate category from spanking, but I’m curious now. Is there a greater risk of drawing blood with canes than with flat implements? Maybe she didn’t want to deal with the possibility of drawing blood.
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TB, during the period when we couldn't do OTK because of Anne's surgery, she did a couple of sessions with me on the bed, using both a bath brush and a strap. Striking downward like that definitely seemed to increase the effectiveness/pain, though it's hard to parse that out from the fact that there had been very long gap between sessions, which may have left my butt much more vulnerable.
DeleteDoug, 200 strokes is pretty standard for us with the bath brush or with a combination of instruments. Probably 150 is near the low-end for us.
I must be a wimp! I don’t think I could take 200 strokes or even 150. I have never counted strokes, but I know my wife never comes anywhere near that. When she uses the strap, a dozen has me feeling sorry. Dan, you mention that long lapses between sessions makes your “butt much more vulnerable”. Maybe that’s why my butt is so “vulnerable”. If my wife spanked me longer and harder, and more frequently, would my butt become acclimatized, requiring my wife to keep upping the dose for similar effect?
DeleteThe hour long sessions I had with a professional disciplinarian probably involved a number of spanks with various implements in the hundreds, but she gave me a long hand spanking to start, then she gradually upped the intensity with a series of implements. There were several points when I thought I couldn’t take any more, but she seemed to know when to pause to let me catch my breath and steel myself for more. By the end of the session, I was in an altered state of consciousness, like I had taken some mood altering drug. I wonder, do you guys who get long, hard spankings from your wives experience effects like that? (I hope that question is not too far off topic).
Doug
Doug,
DeleteMy wife is the same. She probably uses the strap or leather paddle about 200-250 times. These are usually rapid fire with a short break, scolding a bit and then resuming.
T
I have never experienced a caning, nor do I ever fantasize about canes. I suppose that is for the reason Aunt Kay explained, that the cane doesn’t have a maternal vibe. I associate the cane with judicial settings, as in Singapore, or British schools of yesteryear. It also has a bit of a BDSM vibe rather than a DD for me. That being said, Aunt Kay’s advice to wives that the cane is useful to punish their husbands in a way that goes beyond their fantasies kind of turns me on. I would never suggest caning to my wife, but if she decided to get one because she wanted an implant that hurts more, that would turn me on. Just by the law of physics, I imagine that the cane would really hurt if applied with gusto because all the force is concentrated along a thin line.
ReplyDeleteJust thinking, I did experience something like a cane one time. My wife and I were working in the garden, which I enjoy less than she does because she’s the gardener and I’m the beast of burden. So I was complaining a lot. She decided to put an end to my complaining, but she didn’t want to waste time going into the house because our clothes and shoes were dirty. So she took me into the garage, ordered me to pull down my pants, and gave me several blows with a bamboo garden stake. It didn’t hurt that much, but the novelty of the place and the improvised implement had a powerful effect.
Doug
I wonder whether canes do not have a maternal vibe for those who group up in cultures where the case was more prevalently used, including at home.
DeleteGood question, Dan. If mothers had used canes where I grew up in Canada, I would probably have a different feeling. I must say, though I don’t fantasize much about canes, I really like that black and white drawing of the guy bent over the table, pulling down his pants while looking apprehensively over his shoulder and the woman holding a cane. Because of pedagogical associations with the cane, I don’t see the woman as the guy’s wife or mother. Maybe the woman is a tutor who has been hired by the young man’s parents to provide in home instruction, and the young man has been commanded by his father to submit to WHATEVER pedagogical methods the tutor deems necessary to whip him into shape academically. The young man appears to be frightened of the cane and embarrassed at having to bare is bottom for punishment by a woman who might not be much older than he is. She could even be a classmate, recommended by their teacher as a tutor because she is an A student. In line with last week’s topic, I like that the window is open. Maybe she hasn’t allowed him to close the window because the shame of being overheard by people on the street is part of the punishment. Or because not wanting his cries to be overheard will force the young man to exercise self control. Okay, in this imagined context, I quite like the cane.
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I like that drawing as well. She does look like a classmate and like she is considering being in this position for the first time. A woman realizing she's about to spank a man for real is such an appealing image.
DeleteI also liked that last one. The story it suggests is that she has let her man land one stroke on her so she knows the intensity she's about to give him. Otherwise she wouldn't have those gloves!
Yeah, that drawing has been one of my favorites for a long time. Something about the vulnerability he displays in pulling down his shorts and underwear, clearly apprehensive about what is about to happen to him. Interesting interpretation of the last one. I've never been quite sure how to interpret it. RedRump may given some hints on his blog, but I haven't scrolled through it to try find when he first posted that particular drawing.
DeleteMy wife’s favorite implement is the cane she feels it delivers the most discomfort plus she likes the swishing sound they make we have rattan and delrin which hurts the most..there is never a set number of strokes she stops when she feels I have gotten the message that she is in charge..I bend over the corner of the bed and when she says stick that ass up I am really going going to get it and she leaves stripes from top to bottom!!..Soreassboy
ReplyDeleteThanks, Soreassboy!
DeleteLove that Redrump art !
ReplyDeleteI love his stuff.
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ReplyDeleteWhile we have a variety of implements, the most often used are a DWC wood paddle and a cane. I don’t feel that either is inherently more severe, it’s all about how it’s used. I certainly agree that the cane requires much more skill to use properly and can do real and unintentional damage in unskilled hands. My wife always travels with the paddle but we also have a couple of canes that are a little shorter than normal and fit easily into an average size suitcase. The cane is an ideal implement in a hotel as it’s quieter than a paddle which might be heard outside the room. You mentioned synthetic canes, which I agree feel different, but we also have traditional canes of different thicknesses and they can also feel quite different from each other. TG
I do wish I'd managed to get one of those DWC wood paddles back in the day.
DeleteWe own three canes: a traditional rattan one, a very mean thick bamboo one and an even thicker but much shorter (and convenient for travel) delrin one. I usually receive anywhere from 10-100 stripes depending on the infraction but for serious punishments we go until my butt can’t take anymore as after enough it leaves too much broken skin. More often than not my hands and nose will be on the wall, legs apart, ass out and back arched. The cane is by far my wife’s most preferred implement as it is quiet, painful and leaves marks everytime (which she loves) it definitely takes more skill than other implements but she has mastered it. Never any wrapping and she is even able to put it length ways right down the middle of my crack with viscous accuracy! For me it is my least favourite implement however I can’t deny its effectiveness.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Please see the opening of the post re: using a name or initials when posting comments.
DeleteMy wife and I had a crooked school cane for years until it broke. This was her least favorite implement. It would wrap around at times and although there would be weals and welts, really never did anything for us. I never replaced it when it split. She enjoys using the leather. If one fails to land in its intended target, than no harm no foul. The cane is a different story. You need to know how to properly use it. I did enjoy watching some old schoolgirl videos in the day of six of the best. I associate the cane now with more bdsm. There is no maternal vibe for me. We were at a gathering and some people there were talking about how kids have no respect nowadays. Almost everyone there had their own story and most involved the wooden spoon or the strap. Most of us were like, I feared my Mom or Dad. A few told stories of the strapping or spanking they received. Some of them were comical in nature. We were reliving memory lane so to speak.
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I don't go back to my original hometown (where most of my extended family live or are from) very often, but I went back there for a funeral about a year ago. It didn't take long before our reminiscences about the deceased turned to childhood tales about mischief and the associated spankings.
DeleteHow would a riding crop compare to a cane? Would it have a similar effect? I got a riding crop for my wife some years ago, but she has never used it. Not once. I used to lay it out on the bed with the other implements on the bed, but she never selected it. She only seems to like the paddle, the hairbrush, or the strap. So eventually I just stopped laying out the riding crop. I don’t think she would want me to buy a cane if she rejected the riding crop. I’m envious of you guys whose wives are open to a wider variety of implements.
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It’s a long time since I’ve felt a riding crop but my memory is that they’re very tame, nothing like a cane. TG
ReplyDeleteI think of my spankings as more matriarchal than maternal. The cane fits that perfectly as it seems more authoritarian, which is what I like.
ReplyDeleteOur canes are all rattan ranging from about 27" to 36" and standard thickness. Just for the record, I've received some very severe canings.
Graham
I haven't thought about matriarchal as opposed to maternal, but I can see how those could be very different kinds of expressions of authority.
DeleteI received the cane quite a few times at school in the UK , usually on the hands.
ReplyDeleteHurt like hell.
For some reason the implement of choice to be applied to our backsides was a size 12 rubber plimsoll which really hurt too.
Had it a few times and had real trouble sitting at my desk for the rest of the class.
Most if the female teachers used the slipper , boys on the butt , girls on the hands.
I have never felt the cane as an adult but it has to be amongst the most fearsome implements if applied properly.
Thanks, Glen. I can see how a slipper might be sufficient in school. It's hard for me to imagine it being very effective for adults, but I could be wrong.
DeleteFor the slipper it was the technique that made it hurt.
DeleteShe would slipper us in the storage room off her classroom and she had you bend over and touch your toes at one wall so your pants were skin tight.
Then she would stand at the opposite wall about 5 yards away and take a 'running swing' winding up and let you have it full force.
She would do this four times and I remember my cheeks being numb as I walked back to my desk and it really hurt when I tried to sit.
She was quite a good looking Teacher too and obviously enjoyed whacking us guys.
She would give the lesson sitting on her desk , legs crossed making us teenage boys drool as he skirt was pretty short!
She left teaching when she got married and I often wonder if she gave her Hubby the slipper too!
I had a depressingly small number of teachers who would qualify as "good looking", though that didn't stop me from being attracted to a couple of them. One was, in fact, super attractive. She happened to be the mother of one of my best friends. Unfortunately, based on what I observed of her discipline with him, she was way more into grounding than corporal punishment. Though, I had such a thing for her (she really was gorgeous -- all my friends had crushes on her too), had she had the power to ground me, I'm sure I would have gotten off on that, even if at that time I wasn't aware that I had a thing for strong women with authority.
DeleteI had a few teachers I had a crush on as well. One was in elementary school. She scolded
Deleteme a few times but once I actually gave her a shoulder massage. Weird but true. The second one was my Language teacher. She exuded sex appeal and once twisted my ear. I was a freshman in high school. I did have thoughts about her punishing me with this big yardstick she had in her classroom. Ironically, I saw her at a breakfast spot a few years back. She remembered me and always said I was so respectful, although a bit lazy. I picked up her and her friends breakfast tab. I figured that was the least I could do. I also had a crush on my friends Mother. I would stay over there a lot and once saw her coming out of the shower.
She left the back blind open and I was floored how beautiful she was. I was spanked once or twice by her growing up. Glen, I also overheard a spanking growing up in a closet at school. I walked in on an empty classroom as the teacher had her daughter, also a student, in the classroom closet. I heard her say lift your skirt and bend over. She then used a yardstick on her about twenty times. She was bawling when she finished. I left the room before they came out of the closet!
T
When I moved to a new town in the third grade, my new teacher was a short, middle-aged woman with huge boobs. It's a reminder that I was sexually aware by that age, because I vividly recall the boobs. What I also vividly recall was she had this huge diamond ring. She would twist it so the diamond faced the inside of her hand. As she walked the aisles between desks, if she caught you talking or not paying attention, she would slap you on the back of the head. That big ring left a couple of goose-eggs on the back of my skull. That was about as close as I ever came to being corporally punished by a hot teacher.
DeleteI definitely wasn't alone in having a crush on my friend's mother. She was objectively gorgeous, especially by our small town standards. It was a good thing my friend was a fairly big guy, as he was constantly getting in fights with guys at school who would tell him how much they wanted to fuck his mom. Good times. Unfortunately, I never got to see her coming out of the shower. . . .
T, that’s interesting that you got spanked by a friend’s mother. Spanking was common where I grew up, but I don’t remember parents ever spanking other people’s kids. I can recall being spanked at home a couple of times based on a phone call from a friend’s mom to my mom. But it was generally up to one’s own parents to spank.
DeleteI never had crushes on any of my friends’ mothers. I did have a crush on the older sister of one of my friends, and I got spanked by her once for swearing after she warned us to watch our language. (I swore on purpose to see whether she was serious. She was). I had crushes on a couple of women teachers in elementary school. I had fantasies of being spanked by one of them, my grade 4 teacher, after she spanked a boy in my class. Witnessing that spanking had a powerful effect on my fantasy life because school spankings were almost unheard of where I lived. The usual form of corporal punishment was to be taken out into the hallway to get the strap on the hand. So it was shocking and exciting when that teacher, who was quick tempered and extremely pretty, ordered a boy to bend over his desk and spanked him on the seat of the pants with her hand. I remember feeling that I would have died of embarrassment if I had been in that boy’s place, but I fantasized about exactly that. I often wondered why she chose to punish him in such an unorthodox way. Maybe it was her quick temper. The normal protocol would have required her to take the boy out into the hall and to get a teacher from a neighbouring class to witness the hand strapping. Spanking him on the spot, on the other hand, was quick and involved no delay between her flash of anger and the resulting punishment. A hand strapping would have been more physically painful, but maybe she figured the shaming effect of being spanked in front of giggling classmates would be as punitive as the physical pain of the usual punishment. That certainly would have been true for me.
Doug
Doug,
DeleteThe punishment was pretty normal, as I spent a lot of time at his house and vice versa. We got into a small argument and we were both spanked for it. I also had a Mothers friend that we spent the summer with. She spanked myself and her daughter with a spoon on two occasions. It was not anything over the top, but sent the message. My Mother gave permission of course. There was another time I got into a fight with my friend, against another group or boys. My Mother gave permission to his Father to paddle me, but he never followed through. I actually told his Father I understood if he had to paddle me. I was just as much at fault. I think because I owned up, he felt bad. Protocol for our school, was we were sent to the principals office to be paddled. The worse offenders were paddled in the hallway outside the classroom for all to hear. Thank God it only occurred once for me.
T
Her arsenal includes two riding crops, leather strap, hairbrush, plastic paddle and two, delrin canes. My wife really likes the leather strap as it is easy to lay on, produces quite the sound effects that result in heavy, thick welts, which she loves. When we plan a session, she will wield both the 3/8" and 3/16" canes. The first is intense, producing heavy lines. The second, burns like the dickens and usually results with a weal that contains a red center line, which she uses to judge how much marking and coloring she wants. As previously shared, the marks last for a week, the discomfort for several days.
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If someone is attracted to sound effects, I can see why they would like the strap. They definitely produce a very iconic sound.
Deletemy wifes go to is the cane. we switched to it from a belt or paddle because it was quieter initially. far and away for me the cane is way more painful than anything else. We have 3 delrin/synthetic canes. the thinnest ones cut the skin and leave marks very easily while the thickest one leaves bruising. I get anywhere from 20-100 strokes depending on the infraction and that number has climbed over the years. from much lower numbers but as my wife got into her role she increased the length of the discipline and scoldings. I would have to think if someone does not find a cane painful something is not being done right or hard enough. The cane at equal force of a belt or paddle is almost unbearable in comparison, per swat. I still get the belt sometimes if a cane isnt around but the cane is definitely her go to. - DD
ReplyDelete"I would have to think if someone does not find a cane painful something is not being done right or hard enough." I'm sure that was the issue for us in the past. For whatever reason, the cane seems to cause her concern about doing it "too hard", so she holds back. But, oddly, that's really the only instrument where that seems to be an issue. With every other instrument, she is almost totally binary, applying full force or close to it every swat
DeleteDan, if I put myself imaginatively into the disciplinary role, I think I would err on the side of caution with a cane too. In my mind, caning and spanking are different categories of corporal punishment. A common definition of spanking is “the act of slapping the buttocks with an open palm or a flat object as a punishment for children.” The flatness of the object used for spanking is, in my mind, important for the purpose of safety. The thinness of a cane, on the other hand, creates the possibility of more serious damage, like breaking the skin. From the perspective of the disciplinarian, I would be leery of using an implement that could potentially draw blood if applied too forcefully, even on an adult explicitly consenting to that possibility. That is probably the reason the professional disciplinarian I saw said she only does spanking, not caning.
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I don't really agree with that one, particularly if the comparison is a natural fiber cane to a wooden instrument like a paddle. The wooden instruments are dense, hard, and pretty unlikely to yield if they encounter a vulnerable, hard object, like the tailbone or hip. A cane is, IMO, far more likely bend or break before doing any serious damage. The delrin canes are unlikely to break, but they do bend. The concentrated area of the can probably does enhance the force (though, again, it does "give" more than solid wood) and probably would be more likely to break the skin. But, I don't think of breaking the skin as a "serious" injury as compared to something like a broken tailbone. For me, if I were concerned about someone's inexperience creating a risk of injury, I would be way more worried about them swinging a heavy paddle and going astray than that they might swing a cane "too hard" and miss.
DeleteGood point, Dan. I agree that a thick, heavy wooden paddle could inflict a more serious injury than a cane. Personally I would not want to use a wooden paddle more than about a quarter of an inch thick, and even that should be aimed at the fleshiest part of the buttocks.
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We always were careful with the wood implements. Our wood paddle is very thin and eventually could break. I would just purchase another one, the heavy thick paddles could cause significant injury if your not careful. I’ve see a few videos where I was quite surprised that someone wasn’t injured.
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Dan, this idea of caning versus spanking has suggested another possible topic to me: hand spanking. I have sometimes thought that if my wife and I switched positions, and she was the one needing discipline, I would spank her most often with my bare hand. I have actually spanked her a couple of times as a result of her losing bets with me.. I didn’t spank her hard because it was play rather than punishment, but I realized the sensitivity of her bottom was such that I would be able to give her a pretty effective disciplinary spanking with just my hand. My question is this: is there a place for hand spankings in DD of a F/m orientation, or is spanking by hand a waste of time for disciplinary wives? Just a thought. Now, back to the topic of cane.
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Just to explain how I arrived at hand spanking as a possible topic. If caning is “the most fearsome spanking implement”, the bare hand is undoubtedly the least fearsome implement, if you can call it that. I thought of the topic because I’m curious whether other guy’s wives use their hands much. Obviously, being spanked with a bare hand isn’t going to inspire fear (though the hand spanking I got from a professional hurt more than I thought possible), but I believe it could have other psychological effects useful for behaviour management in a FLR.
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Doug and anyone interested in hand spanking ,
DeleteHand spanking can have a role in female-led DD. But it works as the expression of disciplinary authority, or a prelude to corporal punishment. My wife also uses hand spanking to reinforce day-to-day discipline and to remind me that a punishment spanking could be close. In fact, my former GF actually used the words “you're getting close” when slapping the seat of my pants to make a point or issue a warning. In my experience, a woman can effectively hand spank to signal her authority to spank or reinforce her authority before, during, or after discipline or punishment. Here are some examples:
• She wants to emphasize a point or express irritation – she suddenly delivers a few swats or even a flurry to the seat of the pants. When this happens, it is usually at home and in private. But she had done it when we were out, and it is possible it was observed. To me, that slap to the seat of my pants before they are taken down is a powerful statement of her disciplinary authority. It can be a complete reset without her taking any further action.
• At the beginning of a spanking, before a brush or strap is used, a “warm-up” hand spanking prepares a guy mentally and physically for what follows. It avoids the “cold” spanking and makes a longer and very effective spanking much easier for her. It also seems to make scolding more natural
• I am in OTK position or standing in front of her while being scolded ( bum bare at this point). She uses her hand in a staccato fashion, punctuating her words as she scolds, building up to an easy transition to brush or strap.
• I am in the corner, pants down, in mid-spanking or after a spanking has been administered. She hands spanks as she scolds or makes me sum up what has happened. This is particularly impactful for me, and I'm not sure why. She is using her hand after she used a brush or strap ( or more likely both). I should not be able even to feel her hand. But the psychological impact of being hand spanked after a brush or strap is powerful.
Just four examples of effective hand spanking. I can think of others. The effect of being hand spanked is obviously more mental than physical, but it's no less effective as discipline in many ways.
Alan
Alan,
DeleteI agree, my wife was pissed at me. I was in the kitchen at the sink. She came behind me, pulled my pants down and started to hand spank me hard. I was caught off guard and she laid it on. It obviously did not hurt like a strapping. She stated to me, your lucky I have to leave or I would take you upstairs and give you the beating of your life. I’ll never forget that. She set the tone and I piped down and changed my tude immediately.
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Alan, that is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking about. I think a spanking is psychological as well as physical, so even though the hand doesn’t hurt the way a strap or a cane does, hand spanking can be a useful tool in the psychological arsenal.
DeleteT, my wife has also ordered my to pull down my pants and spanked me with her hand in the kitchen while scolding me. It wasn’t even an especially hard hand spanking, but it was incredibly humbling because it made me feel like a little kid to have my bottom bared and smacked right there on the spot.
Dan, I didn’t mean to sidetrack the conversation from this week’s topic, the cane. That’s why I thought hand spanking might be an interesting future topic. That being said, I realize that for most guys for whom a “real spanking” has to be physically agonizing, there might not be much to say about it.
Doug
Sorry, been away so late to this! We only have rattan canes. I’ve never experienced delrin and am scared to. Our canes are all approx 1m long and in the region of 10 & 12mm. The thinner one wraps more and leaves more durable surface marking…and maybe a sharper pain. The thicker one leaves better protruding welts, more thud, and more likely to bruise.
ReplyDeleteI only ever receive somewhere between 6 & 24 strokes.
Technique is everything, and if they don’t apply it as hard as they physically can there is no point…feeble marks, no bruising, little residual soreness, and the pain is a bit blah. My wife can be a bit variable even within the same caning, with some zingers and some that don’t count- it’s a work in progress. However, I get a real caning when she is really angry with me…then they all count! It is important that she takes her arm back as far as she can and flexes her wrist back too - then just bring it forward as hard as she can (the coming forward just happens, but a hard stroke cannot be inflicted if the cane isn’t taken back far enough).
On the subject on counting, I’m expected to count the strokes out loud and I don’t count them unless they are good ones as we will both regret it later. This I think helps give her confidence to lay them on… but terrifies me if she’s decided that I’m getting a higher number!
I’d agree that solid timber paddles or long whips are far more likely to cause real injury than a cane. I never saw anyone harmed,as opposed to hurt, at school and I haven’t been at home.
We have several rattan canes that I bought some time ago, which have sat unused in a corner of our closet. Since Anne seems a bit intimidated by the delrin, I'm going to ask her to experiment with the rattan. Though, when I took them out and examined them a few days ago, I was surprised that some of them seemed almost as thick and dense as the Delrin. I somehow doubt they will hurt much less, but I'll let you know after I've experienced both in the same session.
Delete"Technique is everything, and if they don’t apply it as hard as they physically can there is no point." I'm very sure at this point that this has been the problem with our few experiments with the cane in the past -- she simply wasn't laying the strokes on hard enough.
Al here. Doug commented about his wife seeing the cane as a different discipline. My wife and I both have a similar attitude toward the cane - that it is more for bdsm than for domestic discipline (not that either of us believe that anyone else has to feel that way), so the cane, per se, has never been part of her arsenal.
ReplyDeleteThat said, while she generally prefers the paddle or strap, she does occasionally use the DWC "mini-cane" (about 12 inches of flexible plastic on a handle - that the DWC sold back in the day) on me - in lieu of a "real switch" when there is a need to spank me quietly (others in the house). She considers it an "artificial switch" rather than a cane, however, and even calls it a switch. She began using it when she got frustrated with real switches breaking, but sill has me go cut her a switch to use on me on occasion. As we both grew up in the deep south, where switching is still very common, we both accept switching as true domestic discipline. However, since she prefers the paddle and strap, most of the time the switch is reserved for times when others are in the house to keep the noise down. (Me not yelping is the bigger issue - but she says that's on me. I have been known to find something to bite on during a switching when I needed to be quiet due to company).
My wife also enjoys the sound of the paddle and the strap (she is very much into the "sound effects" - both the sound of the paddle or strap on my bare rear - as well as my yelping). A hundred whacks is her standard minimum - especially for maintenance or preventative spankings - but it is no unusual for her to go to 150 or 200 or more - especially if I am in trouble for something.
I will never forget one switching I got years ago. I had really irritated her when I got into a political argument with a visiting relative. She took me back in the bedroom, and gave me a switching to remember. As I was in tears, struggling not to be loud, she smirked, "Bet you wish you had kept you mouth shut now, don't you". Although no one there actually knew that I had been soundly switched, I felt they all did, especially the guy that I had argued with. They probably did notice that I was more subdued, after my wife asked to "talk" to me in the bedroom - they probably assumed that I got chewed out.
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Al, is the DWC mini-cane actually effective, in your opinion? As you can tell from the post, we are very inexperienced with canes. But, 12-inches just seems really short.
Delete"Although no one there actually knew that I had been soundly switched, I felt they all did . . ." I've had that feeling a few times. Once, very early on in our DD relationship, Anne had me drive home from work at lunch for a fairly serious strapping. Back at the offie that afternoon, I was sitting on a very hot and tender bottom. Although it had no basis in fact, I had the overwhelming feeling that others knew what had happened. There also was a time she gave me a preventative spanking before a dinner out with a large group. While the feeling wasn't as strong, I did still have a weird feeling that others must know I was sitting on a sore bottom, and I definitely was more subdued than usual.
Al, I tend to think of a cane as an implement that evolved from switches, though that’s just a theory. As I see it, switches are a spanking implement provided by Mother Nature wherever trees grow, so they are undoubtedly an ancient and widespread instrument of chastisement. A cane seems to me like a switch in a permanent form.
DeleteSwitching wasn’t a thing where I grew up, but I am curious about it. Are switches generally used singly or in bundles. I have seen lots of artistic representations of people being spanked with bundles of switches.
Doug
Al here. Dan wrote in regard to my DWC mini cane comment: "But, 12-inches just seems really short". ---- Oops... I mistyped - it actually 16 inches, which - I can personally testify - is indeed long enough. I believe it might have been designed to be short enough to be used OTK - and Susan has used it quite effectively in that manner - but also with me bent over and butt up as well. --al
DeleteDoug - canes are generally much thicker than a switch. Switches, when I was growing up, were often cut from bushes. Switches certainly leave marks and may even leave minor welts, but nothing like a real cane. Additionally, after being cut from the bush, they have to be stripped of leaves and smaller branches growing off to the side - and this leaves the "nubs" of what was stripped on the main branch - making the stroke of the switch even more painful, and more likely to leave small cuts and welts. They sting like the dickens - but it's a different pain than than from a paddle or strap. If I had to choose the implement to be used on my bare behind, it would not be the switch.
Being spanked with a bundle of switches is typically call a "birching" - and I have also often seen these depicted in spanking art. Growing up as kids in the deep south, where switching was probably the most common corporal punishment, switchings were administered with a single switch (although the unfortunate kid might be told to cut two - in case one breaks. Having to go cut your own switch was usually part of the punishment.) --al
I believe canes were made just like paddles. They were used to punish over clothing to make them effective and to protect modesty.
DeleteFrom reading many different sources, it has always been my understanding that "Rotton Canes" were first used on criminals and miscreant minors in Southeast Asia centuries before rotton (rattan) was adopted for CP in Britain.
DeleteAs "Anonymous April 23, 2025 at 2:25 PM PDT" stated, I believe rattan canes were adapted for British CP of minors to preserver "Victorian Sensibilities" (i.e., canes could be used through clothing, while the previously common "birch" had to be used on naked skin).
“I believe canes were made just like paddles. They were used to punish over clothing to make them effective and to protect modesty.”
DeleteThat makes sense to me. Paddles and canes have both been used in schools in different parts of the world, and baring the bottom would have been out of the question for obvious reasons. In Canada where I live, there was a further step in the direction of modesty: focusing punishment on the hands instead of the bottom. Nevertheless, I did witness a couple of spankings in elementary school, and in both of those incidents a woman teacher spanked a boy on the seat of his pants with her hand. I think a further purpose of paddles or canes in school settings is to avoid contact between the teacher’s hand and the student’s bottom. In that sense, the spankings I witnessed were surprising.
In judicial settings, on the other hand, I believe caning has been applied to the bare bottom. My understanding is that judicial caning is still done that way in Singapore, at least if the recipient is male. I don’t know whether females are subject to caning.
In Canada corporal punishment in prisons was only abolished in the 60’s. It was referred to as “the lash”, which would seem to imply a British military style flogging, but it was, in fact, a spanking on the bare buttocks with a very heavy strap. Apparently, there had to witnesses to make sure that proper protocols were respected, and a doctor had to be present to attend to punished inmate if necessary.
Doug
I think my wife would have to receive the caning suggestion from another woman. If I suggested the cane, it would be obvious to her that I was trying to remove her ability to moderate the spankings. She's resisted when I've brought her the most intense paddle or brush before (but not always.)
ReplyDeleteInteresting. Mine seldom seems to be interested in moderating. :-)
DeleteI’ve never thought about it, but it is true that some implements give the spanker a greater degree of control over the intensity of the punishment, i.e. to “moderate” it. For example, I have noticed that when my wife uses the paddle or the hairbrush, the intensity varies more than when she uses the strap. The strap always hurts terribly. Of course, that could to some extent be because she tends to select the strap when she is really pissed off and doesn’t want to “moderate” the punishment. I think another consideration for my wife is that she wants to do spankings her way, without catering to my curiosity about variety. Early in our FLR, she settled on three implements: the hairbrush, the paddle, and the strap. I acquired other implements for her over the years, but she has never used them. Because we have an understanding that I am not allowed to question her disciplinary choices, I don’t know why she prefers to stick with just three implements. But I am pretty sure that if I acquired a cane, it would join the other unused implements (riding crop, flogger) in the back of the closet. I also bought her a nice bath brush, but it hangs unused in the bathroom. I suppose a short handled hairbrush gives the spanker greater control than a long handled bath brush. I am jealous of you guys who get punished more harshly by your wives, but maybe I should consider myself to be lucky.
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Doug, yeah, be careful what you wish for. The bathbrush is a hairbrush on steroids - in addition to extra weight, the longer handle results in greater impact when the same force is applied by the spanker. They can be significantly more painful. My wife typically uses a combination of strap and bathbrush on my rear. We do have an assortment of paddles as well - which she will sometimes choose to use. She does keep a wooden hairbrush in both our vehicles for use on the road if required.
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I think she would have to give the strap more of a swing to have enough centrifugal force to keep it in the air. A paddle works at any speed so long as it's not too heavy for her.
DeleteI agree with Al. The bath brush is an entirely different beast from the heaviest hairbrush. It's much, much more painful. And, the shorter versions aren't much more difficult to control than the hairbrush.
DeleteMW: Yes, I definitely agree!
DeleteFor most straps a woman really has some "minimum speed" necessary to keep the business end of the strap fully extended. Anything less and it simply "droops" and is very hard to connect with target.
I think that is also why so many women will hold the strap with both hands to start the swing: One hand on the hand; one hand hold the "business end," stretch it taught and straight, properly lined up with the target"
(Of course, heavier and thicker straps (e.g., tawses, prison straps) are pretty much "self-supporting," and act more like "flexible paddled" (in the air, and upon impact).
Switches generally come in a flurry and sting like a swarm of bees. Unlike cane stripes in neat lines, switches tend to leave welts all over, especially from the knots in them where leaves and twigs were removed. A proper switching can go on for some time and is not to be sneezed at…childhood switches were generally from a Redbud tree, and being sent to go cut one was the absolute worst. I’ll cut switches these days to offer her a change of pace, but I can’t say she loves them. Still she does better with them than canes, as she just won’t commit to a full on swing, likes to rapid fire the cane as well.
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Al here. 3Pops wrote: "Switches generally come in a flurry and sting like a swarm of bees. Unlike cane stripes in neat lines, switches tend to leave welts all over, especially from the knots in them where leaves and twigs were removed. A proper switching can go on for some time"
DeleteWell stated! In my comment on switching above, I really didn't describe the "actual switching event" - but 3pops gives an accurate portrayal here. Most canings (from what I understand) are measured out relatively slowly and there are often only a dozen or so (certainly not a hundred or two). But as 3pops note - "switchings come in a flurry and sting like bees - and can go on for some time". When Susan does take the switch to me, she is typically "fast and furious" - and there are generally a hundred strikes or more involved. Indeed, they are "not to be sneezed at".
Childhood switchings in my youth did not last as long - but they did come in a flurry and stung like the dickens on bare skin - and were very much a thing of dread. Peach tree switches are notorious in the deep south.
I will add that at least in the area of the south in which I lived, spankings were more often with a belt or switch on the bare legs (we always had shorts on) - and not as often with a paddle (except at school). I can't recall my parents paddling me -- and definitely not bare bottom. My aunt (who paddled me over my underwear) did bare bottom paddle her two boys up until puberty - but that was not really common in our area (especially the bare bottom). (The cousins were still paddled after puberty set in - but over underwear. Less so as they go older, but they were still occasionally paddled even in their high school years for serious offenses). --al
I agree al, it seems most of the home punishments in our neighborhood were hand, belt, switch…not sure I recall anyone having been paddled at home, but I’m sure there were some since everyone had been through a Stuckey’s at one point. Spoons and ping pong or paddle ball paddles were probably pretty common. Proper paddles seemed like a school only thing.
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I was born in what I think of as the quasi-South, and it was similar there. As young kids, spankings were by hand. For older kids, at home it was usually the belt. At school it was universally the paddle. Switching wasn't a thing there, probably because the natural landscape didn't offer many bushes or the right kind of trees.
DeleteAl, I am interested in the fact that spankings in the home were not usually on the bare bottom where you lived. As I have said previously, I have always wondered why parents where I grew up thought it necessary to bare the bottom. If the purpose was to increase pain, baring the bottom seems like overkill, especially if something as painful as a belt was used. Maybe baring the bottom was less common than I thought, and I assumed wrongly that most parents did it that way. But based on my memory of conversations about spankings with friends and cousins, I think my assumption was right. Also, I think the idea of the proverbial trip to the woodshed implied that spankings were done on the bare bottom, and doing it out of sight in the woodshed was for the purpose of modesty. I have come to the conclusion that spanking practices are largely cultural, and parents would do it a certain way because they simply figured “that’s how it’s done.”
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Doug wrote: "Al, I am interested in the fact that spankings in the home were not usually on the bare bottom where you lived."
DeleteI do believe that it had it to do with the strict Bible Belt morality of the Deep South. While "spare the rod and spoil the child" was very much a part of that culture - modesty and propriety was as well. Exposing the rear end - even for a spanking - would probably have been considered (at least borderline) immoral by most, when clearly it was not necessary to do so in order to administer an effective spanking. And, since most spankings were by belt or switch, many of the whacks went to the legs (often bare). Switching was always directed primarily at the bare legs - the belt, as I recall, might strike the covered behind or the bare legs.
3pops mentioned not having formal paddles at the house - but there were wooden spoons and hairbrushes - which are still common household spanking implements in many places, it seem, but were just not as commonly used in "my part of the woods". --al
Al wrote: “I do believe that it had it to do with the strict Bible Belt morality of the Deep South. While "spare the rod and spoil the child" was very much a part of that culture - modesty and propriety was as well. Exposing the rear end - even for a spanking - would probably have been considered (at least borderline) immoral by most, when clearly it was not necessary to do so in order to administer an effective spanking.”
DeleteThat makes sense to me, Al. I grew up in a liberal environment, notwithstanding my parents’ conservative belief in the benefit of corporal punishment for boys. We went to a very liberal church. My father was a doctor, and my mother had been a nurse before having children and becoming a stay-at-home mom. Therefore, they may have had an attitude that baring a bottom was no big deal. Nevertheless, by the age of 6, I had somehow acquired an acute sense of modesty, so I felt an acute sense of sexual shame about having my pants taken down for spankings, especially when my sisters were present. That feeling was all the more intense because, for some reason, my sisters were exempt from spanking, so their modesty was respected in a way that mine wasn’t. That would seem to be the origin of my F/m spanking kink. But that’s off of this week’s topic.
Doug
My original hometown was in a state that I think of as the quasi-South or South-adjacent. And, while not in the Deep South, it was very much a Bible Belt community. The populace was small and deeply conservative, both politically and religiously. Yet, my recollection is that most spankings there were given "on the bare." So, apparently the sense of propriety that Al recalls plays out differently in different religious communities. And, it may be that was more a true Southern thing. My own experience of the the South has been that they sometimes place an emphasis on privacy and decorum that I don't see as much in other areas of the country. That might be why, in my hometown, it was pretty common to spank in public and no one had the slightest qualms about spanking a kid who wasn't theirs.
DeleteDan, spanking in public wasn’t exactly common where I lived, but it wasn’t rare either. Of course, spankings in public were not on the bare, so I am wondering now how I knew that spankings in the home generally were on the bare. I never actually witnessed it. I think it was a combination of hearsay and extrapolation from my own experience.
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Not sure I’d ever heard of anyone not being spanked while bare as a child…girls perhaps. I mean a kid acting up in public may have received a few hand swats as a warning…but spankings on the bare definitely was the norm. As background, I grew up in a conservative “Deep South adjacent” suburban environment.
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A.j. uses 2 different wooden paddles on me exclusively. We got a small cane to try out, but she didn't like using it. I did have one used on me about 10 years ago by a pro, and it got me out of my comfort zone very quickly.
ReplyDeleteWas getting out of your comfort zone a good or bad thing?
DeleteI bought a 1M/11m Dragon Rattan cane. Lauren has only used it once and she said it was too long and she couldn’t get a full swing because the wall was too close so I offered to lay across the bed with pillows under to elevate my ass. She said that she just didn’t like it.
ReplyDeleteThis was early in our DD/FLR, and I think I want to try again. I am made to bend over our bed which is very high and place pillows under me to make it even higher. The frame hits me right in the shins so I place a pillow there as well. I am naked and she is always clothed which adds to the power dynamic and humiliation. Sometimes I try to leave my underwear on, but she always makes me take them off. She said once that she feels like it adds to my vulnerability. I am then scolded about the behaviors that she wants to see changed(drinking, rudeness, argumentative, bratting, raising voice are pretty common). She then starts with pretty rapid fire, raising her hand slowly and deliberately and then coming down hard with a force that usually makes her face change a little. There is a mirror across the room where I am spanked and I can see myself bent over and her behind me. I can see her face when she raises the implement . I don’t ever watch every stroke, but at times it seems to help me behave better later if I have the memory of the visual of Lauren delivering discipline to me. She uses a pickle ball paddle often to start, and usually delivers about 50 strokes with that. Then she will go to the other implements ( usually five more)….a French Martinet, a thick strap by London Tanners, a plastic bath brush (which is absolutely horrible), a heavy leather paddle(3 layers thick with steel reinforcement, we call it the drinking paddle), and finally a 23 inch, 1/2 inch thick clear acrylic paddle(new, it’s pretty awful too). Lauren rarely uses these in the same order and sometimes returns to one after already using it. I think she does this to keep me guessing when it’s going to be over. I usually get about 25 or so with each after the initial 50 with the first which is not always the pickle ball paddle. So the total is around 175-200 strokes. This is a maintenance session delivered weekly. If there has been really poor behavior during the week I receive a go upstairs right now spanking, and they are usually longer. I would like to figure out how to have her work the cane in to the mix. If there has been drinking over the limit(3) coupled with poor behavior I get a four consecutive day spanking just like the one described above (It’s only happened twice). If I call her any name I get a 4 day spanking also(it’s never happened, DD has cured me of name calling). I think she is just not confident with the cane and since we have so many other tools and the spankings are certainly effective already…She just doesn’t see the need.
"I think she is just not confident with the cane and since we have so many other tools and the spankings are certainly effective already…She just doesn’t see the need."
DeleteI think that was Anne's attitude, too. But, she also clearly likes to see marking, and I don't mark very much anymore with any other instrument.
Four days in a row is beyond anything we've done, but I can see a place for something like that if a lesson clearly is not being learned with something milder.
Jackson wrote: "She . . . [spanks] . . . pretty rapid fire, . . . coming down hard with a force that usually makes her face change . . ."
DeleteFrom your descriptions, and the number of strokes with big, heavy implements, it appears that your wife gets a very vigorous "athletic workout" every time she give you a "corrective workout!" You must get pretty numb by the end (of even a "maintenance" session). Extra work for diminishing returns?
Never to suggest to any wife how she should manage her affairs, but you might point out to your wife how much easier, with much less effort, a cane can accomplish comparable or better results.
Frankly (from personally experience), I think too many people put too much emphasis on "best practices" with canes (high precision strokes with maximum ["best"] speed), rather than much greater numbers of serious (but lesser-strength) strokes that completely cover the butt with numerous overlaps; somewhat like using a smaller (1/4" / 6-7mm) cane like a "heavy switch.")
If your wife decides to try something "simpler" like this, be prepared for extreme agony like you have never before felt. (You also might remind you wife to take short breaks every 12-15 seconds so you can take in a couple of full lungs of "breath," otherwise, you may get very dizzy from continuous vocal exhalations!)
(Don't blame me if your wife comes to love a "small cane;" you got this train rolling.)
Donn thank you for your thoughts here….much to consider. I’m not sure there is any wasted effort going on because I need to be spanked to ‘Surrender” and beyond to grow. Usually that doesn’t happen until around 120-150 where I stop vocalizing and just become quiet and completely resigned to my fate. I don’t think swinging the paddles is much of a work out for her now, but maybe as we age it would be good to work in the lethal and lighter cane. It’s a bit of a big decision to bring it up or not….I can always do it later. There is no going back though. If I introduce the way you suggest and She likes it…there’s no going back….maybe I’ll let sleeping canes lie for now. Thank you so much for your help. Much to consider.
DeleteThis topic is so appropriate for us this week as we planned a session, which are intended to be very intense and prolonged, on Friday. My wife told me last night that I needed to be prepared to receive the strap as a warm up, the tawse for close in application and both the 3/8" and 3/16" delrin canes. To further the mental anguish I always go through before a session, she told me the canings will be the most intense we have ever done and she won't stop until I am sufficiently marked with the thin cane to her satisfaction. We have previously done 50 strokes in total which I counted, but caning until I am marked, likely will go beyond that. Knowing I'm not the only husband that gets caned is helpful.
ReplyDeleteIf I may ask, what was the reason for the extra intense session?
DeleteMy dear wife does not want to leave cuts or bruises. So, she has never used a cane. But she uses hairbrush and strap very effectively, and occasionally a switch if one is available.
ReplyDeleteDoug mentioned hand spanking. She may use her hand at length but only after the target is really sore from the implements. It prolongs the spanking, but also is very personal and reinforces her authority.
We do intense sessions several times a year as they include spanking bench set up and restraints. She likes sessions because the enjoys the actual act of caning, the change in color and texture of my skin and the feel of total control with me not able to move. The thoughts I have for several days before the event range from anticipation, desire to apprehension which I enjoy. I relish all that up to the point that she leads me to the bench. I come away with a sense of stress relief and complete purging of burdens, which makes the sensations during the caning totally worth it. And I wear the marks with a sense of pride.
ReplyDeleteIf you don’t mind my asking, would you classify sessions like that as domestic discipline or as BDSM. Not that the classification really matters, I suppose. I’m just curious.
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Well, this week moved along much faster than I expected. I've been so busy recently that I haven't had enough time to write any serious here. While there is still some time left, maybe some quick answers to Dan's specific questions:
ReplyDeleteDan: "Is the cane a part of your spouse’s disciplinary repertoire?"
Most definitely! Anytime any serious punishment or training is due, out comes a cane. She also uses one of her lighter canes every Sunday morning during our weekly "devotionals" (a "check-in," recap of our vows, and a type of regular "maintenance").
Dan: "How did this start?"
She decided she needed a cane within a couple months after we began DD. She'd tried both a paddle and a long-handles bath brush, and both were simply too much for her wrist, especially when believed I needed real intensity. I introduced her to an acquaintance from my time with the "Los Angeles Dommes and subs" organization, "Cahya." Cahya's parents had immigrated from Indonesia, before having her and her sibs in the US. Cahya gained a lot of experience on both ends of various canes. She eventually became very expert (also in Judo), and used to teach workshops.
(One of my fantasies, that I didn't have time to post a couple weeks ago, was that Cahya would come over to visit us at home, and give my wife training by Cahya demonstrating techniques on me, then having my wife practice.)
Alas, Cahya and my wife chose to meet privately, and after several weeks my wife had become quite good, and not at all hesitant to lay on maximum speed with the rattan cane Cahya gave her. (I've always wondered if Cahya might have taught/demonstrated, and had my wife practice, with Cahya's own husband. Regardless, I'm sure that Cahya and her husband both know that my wife and I have a serious DD relationship.)
Shortly thereafter my wife directed that I fabricate various synthetic ("Delrin" [R]) canes. Apparently she was overly bothered how natural rattan, with its "joints" and "knobs" could break and cut my skin, especially with overlaid stripes.
Dan: "Do you think the cane is widely used in the US, or is it primarily an English thing?
Nope, I don't think that the cane is widely used in the US, except among more recent immigrant families from Southeast Asia. Nope, I don't believe it is primarily an "English thing" either. I suspect that most "school" and "domestic" caning occurs in families living in Southeast Asia. I've read multiple places (e.g., Corpun.org) that many, MANY such Asian families regularly use the cane on children and adolescents, right up through high-school, and sometime later in college; read that it is almost always the mother who is responsible for such discipline in homes. (Considering how many of the fathers/husbands most likely received such canings from their own mothers, and that for many Asian cultures woman are NOT as "demur" and "submissive" as so many false stereotypes depict, I would not be the least surprised if many of these wives do not use their household canes on their hubbies!)
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DeleteDan: "Is that because it was widely used in British schools?
Not in my mind. Canes haven't been used in British schools for 3-5 decades (depending upon whether private or government financed).
Dan: "Does its use in the traditional school setting add to the mystique?
Not for me. It's "mystique" arises from the effect on my butt!
Dan: "If you use the cane, what type?
All of my wife's canes are synthetic (mostly Delrin, two polycarbonate, and one that is epoxy-fiberglass).
Dan: "What thickness and length do you use?
Currently, my wife's Delrin canes measure: (A) 34" x 3/8"; (B) 24" x 3/8"; (C) 32" x 3/8" (polycarbonate); (D) 30" x 5/16"; (E) 30" x 1/4" (F) 30" x 1/4 (polycarbonate); (G) 24" x 5/16"; (H) 24" x 1/4"; (I) 20" x 5/16; (J) 20" x 1/4".)
Dan: "When you use it, is it usually the only tool used during that session?"
Yes, almost always just the cane; one particular cane for one session.
Dan: "Does she use [the cane] in conjunction with other instruments?"
Yes, if she wants to instill a most serious lesson, she will also use one of her rubber straps.
Dan: "Is there a particular order that seems most effective?
Oh, yes! She will apply the cane repeatedly until she has many weels (raised stripes) across most of my bottom and upper thighs, with many "crossed strokes." This will usually be at least 18 full power strokes, but sometimes as many as 36. She will then wait 15 or so minutes to let my butt recover from any possible numbing. She will then strap the weals repeatedly -- it's excruciating! She has a policy: However many cane strokes she gave, I'll always receive at least twice that many strap strokes.
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DeleteHer using the cane then the strap is very rare. The last time was last August (2024) when I violated an important motorcycle safety protocol ("always maintaining as least 2 'escape routes'"), and could have easily killed myself (a car swerved and made contact with me at freeway speed -- 65-70mph). Then I lied to her about what ("nothing") had happened. Eventually I confessed, so she used her "Reformatory Cane" (34" x 3/8") for 18 strokes at full power, then followed with 36 strokes from her heavy rubber tawse - that sequence repeated four weekends in a row
Dan: "Do you find that the cane really is more powerful and intimidating than other instruments?"
Actually, no. I think several other implements can be more "intimidating " (intense and damaging): (A) A wide, long and thick "prison style strap"; (B) A synthetic African "Sjambok" (52" x 5/8") (killed many people during "South African 'riot control' before end of aparthied); (C) An African (or German) "Ochsenziemer" (bull or ox penis, wetted and stretched out to ~24" long, then a spring-steel rod inserted, then dried in the sun) (The Nazis used ochsenziemers to control (and even beat to death) prisoners in concentration and death camps.)
Dan: "Do you fear it above other instruments?"
My wife does NOT have a sjambok or ochsenziemer, so her Reformatory Cane is the most feared in our home.
Dan: "Do you experience more marking/bruising with the cane than with other instruments? Does the pain last longer?"
Yes, it is much easier for the cane to mark me than any of her straps. Yes, the pain, and marks, from her reformatory cane can easily last a couple weeks
Dan: "How many strokes are usually given?"
For a brief, "on the spot" lesson, usually 6. For a scheduled session, never less then 12, and sometimes as many as +100 if she is swinging a very lightr and short cane "fast and furious."
Dan: "Does the fact that the strokes are delivered more silently than with other instruments play a role in your choice to use or not use it?"
Yes, most definitely. While my wife was interested in canes because their lightness and effectiveness was compatible with her chronic wrist injury, the quietness is very important. I've mentioned here before that we live in a Single Family Residence with two apartment buildings on the back of our lot; the common driveway (with pedestrian traffic) is only 1-2 feet from our bedroom window -- never know when someone is going to be just the other side of the glass.
Also, it looks like my MIL will be moving into our house in the near future. (She needs a more "assistive " living environment.) At first we thought we might be able to divide the house to make a small "studio apartment" for her, but it looks like she will need more immediately help and attention than is possible so separated. (I strongly suspect that we will either have to tell the MIL about our DD, or have to completely curtail DD -- except for bookings of hotel rooms and vacation cabins.)
Sorry about the MIL. That's a tough situation. If either of our mothers moved in with us, I'd give our marriage about 6 months. But, that's largely a function of our particular MILs.
DeleteRe: ordering, I always thought of the cane as something one would start, not end, with. So, that gives me something to think about.
DeleteDan: Might you have misread my post? I thought I was clear that, for two implements, my wife starts with the cane, then finishes with the strap (i.e., strapping the weals the cane inflicted).
DeleteMight I have mis-wrote?
Nope, my bad. Meant I always thought of the cane as something one would *end* with, not start with.
DeleteDan,
DeleteI agree my marriage will be over in six months if my mother moved in. Of course, I don’t believe she has a game plan. I’ve noticed this with an elderly neighbor as well. Some people think that they will live forever.
T
Yeah, T., I'm dealing with some of the same issue with my parents.
DeleteDan: While I don't have any direct, empirical evidence, I strongly suspect that using a using a paddle, bath brush or even most straps (before the cane) would lead to significant numbing (from swelling and/or neurotransmitter depletion). Then later using the cane on a partially numbed butt: (1) At normal intensity would have much less mental effect; (2) At higher intensity strokes to induce appropriate mental effect could easily lead to excessive physical damage!
DeleteI'm not even sure some type of lighter "warmup" with paddle or strap before using the can would be beneficial. It might decrease the "shock value" of the cane strokes.
I just wanted to add one final "cautionary" comment regarding synthetic canes.
DeleteI think two other commenters this week have mentioned their wives using 3/8" Delrin canes.
Delrin has a density of roughly 1.08gm/cm3, while even the densest species of rattan ("dragon"; "kobuko") have maximum densities of ~0.70 - 0.75gm/cm3.
Thus, a 3/8" diameter Delrin cane has the same linear mass density as the heaviest 13mm (1/2") canes used for judicial canings in Singapore and Malaysia! While very few of us might use a ~1.0 - 1.1 meter (39-43") cane (as used for judicial canings), 34-36" is close enough.
Neither are our wives police officers are warders with martial arts training, swinging a judicial cane's tip as 95--100mph.
But a wife who could swing such a Derlin cane tip at 65-75mph could inflict serious tissue damage, approaching that of a judicial caning!
(My wife's acquaintance at Cahya, while being relatively petite (5' - 5'1"), is quite "stocky" and strong, and has advanced martial arts training. I'm confident Cahya could easily accelerate a Delrin cane's tip to 85-90, maybe even 95 mph!)
My point is that 3/8" Delrin canes can be much more intense, and can at times be much more damaging, that might be expected.
For almost all needs and occasions, very fast cuts with a 5/16" Delrin cane should be more than sufficient. Especially for sessions with more than 12 cuts where there are many overlays and crosses of weals.
Be safe out there!
My Bad! "Kobuku" is not a variety of rattan. "Kooboo" is one of the densest varieties of rattan! (My apologies to all you "theater" buffs.)
DeleteAnswering to the above question. I remember the pastor of the church saying from the pulpit to take those pants down and spank their bare bottom till they are remorseful. My friends and I used to just look reach other scared. I think most parents spanked bare bottom. I wonder if the humiliation factor played a role as well. I do remember walking by my buddies sisters room after she was spanked. She was in her underwear. Being a girl, I assumed her Father didn’t remove them.
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