Monday, April 14, 2025

Meeting 515 - Openness to Others Knowing About Our Disciplinary Spankings

“A man who can't bear to share his habits is a man who needs to quit them.” ― Stephen King, The Dark Tower

Hello all. Welcome back to The Disciplinary Couple’s Club.  Our weekly on-line gathering of men and women who are in, or would like to be in, a Domestic Discipline relationship.

 

Once again, before we get started, I would like to thank the female commenters who have recently joined us and to extend an invitation to all others who may be inclined to move from “lurker” to “commenter” status. We like having you around.

 

I hope you all had a great week.  We had one of those vacations where you come home more tired than when you left.  Although it was in a hard-to-beat location that feels almost like home to us at this point, like much of the rest of 2025, it felt like anything that could go wrong did.  We both had, or were getting, colds when we left. While there, we both took a turn for the worse and ended up having to have a doctor make a house call.  Funny enough, the visit had some spanking-related implications.  He ended up giving Anne a shot, which was no big deal for her.  But, I had been spanked with the ebony hair brush on the second day there, as punishment for over-indulging a bit the day we got there.  In addition to the embarrassment of a doctor seeing the visual evidence, a shot on my recently spanked bottom might have been quite painful. Thankfully, he decided I was okay with oral antibiotics, sparing me two types of pain.

 

 

I also found it impossible to relax into the beautiful location, as I kept following the financial carnage wreaked on the markets by Trump’s tariffs. Regardless of how you feel about Trump or the wisdom of tariffs in general, can we all agree the rollout was so incompetent and chaotic, it was like they were trying to Make America Poor Again?  Although I try to comfort myself with thoughts along the lines of this meme, I’d really just like to have my savings back.

 


Speaking of Trump, I would like to again give my condolences to Julie of the former Strict Julie Spanks blog.  We disagreed about practically everything political, but I still will miss her blog.  I'm getting pretty close to the last man standing when it comes to blogs that focus on "real" spankings.  Her blog also was a pretty big referrer to this one. Anyway, Julie, I hope you continue to drop by regularly.  (I also hope you get your ass whipped in the upcoming Canadian elections.)

 

I hope you all enjoyed the discussion of fantasies.  As I said in the post, those of us in DD relationships are, to a big extent, already living the fantasy, as almost all our relationships started with the husband having or, in my case, suddenly developing a strong interest in being spanked “for real.”  At some point, we worked up the courage to tell our wives about our DD desires and perhaps even asked them to give it a try.  Al summed it up nicely:

 

First, I should note that just having become a DWC husband was in itself a fantasy come true - and, in a story that I've told here a few times, and one I certainly would have never expected to come about - as my wife, whom I was convinced was plain vanilla when it came to anything remotely "kinky", enthusiastically embraced the role of disciplinary wife after I admitted to a "mild interest" in being spanked one night over too much wine. Then there were a number of "attached fantasies" that went with that that came true over time as well - the use of various implements, anal disciplines (plugs, pegging), spanked in various places (including outside the car behind a closed gas station on the side of the interstate one night).

 

By the way, Al, getting spanked behind a closed gas station pushes all sorts of buttons for me.  Once again, I admire you and your wife’s adventurous spirits.

 

The one surprise for me in reading all the comments was that I expected a lot of variety. In the details there was a lot, but I was surprised at how many of the fantasies involved one core scenario – others knowing or participating. A very large majority of the comments involved fantasies in which third parties come to know about and/or participate in our disciplinary spankings.

 

As a preliminary matter, I’d love to hear any theories you all may have about why that is. Why do third-parties play such an overwhelmingly large role in our fantasies?

 

Of course, some of you have already fulfilled fantasies involving others knowing and participating.  Though, there is always fresh ground to explore, right?  Al, again, provided this about a developing scenario with a male friend who knows that he is a spanked husband:

 

Within the last couple of years, we have made a new friend, Ben, that we spend quite a bit of time with. We've all become quite close and he hangs out with us fairly often. Along the way, he happened to see a paddle left out - with the result being that Susan told him our entire story - but not while I was present. She confessed to me later, and although the resulting discussion got somewhat tense, ultimately I had no choice but to accept what was done. What I privately realized, however, was that although it was incredibly embarrassing to me to know that Ben now knew that Susan regularly bare ass paddled me to tears - on the other, hand it was also credibly hot that she had told him - that she had exercised that much authority.

 

Following that initial revelation, Susan began talking about our disciplinary lifestyle in front of Ben as if were just part of our ordinary life (which, of course, it is). It was initially quite embarrassing to see that Susan had texted Ben that she had spanked me or that I had a spanking coming - and the like - but eventually I also came to terms with that. I've even occasionally made an occasional comment myself - especially after a drink or two - about Susan paddling my ass over certain issues.

 

I don’t know why, but I find the fact that Susan texts Ben about Al’s spankings, or lets him know Al is going to be spanked, very hot.  I think it's something about her confidence and business-like approach.

 

And, the fact that I find it hot explains why I don’t have a lot of interest in DD ever becoming so mainstream that it might stop seeming taboo.  I’m quite sure that part of the reason it appeals to me so strongly is because it is not widely accepted. Even though erotic spanking is becoming more generally practiced, F/m disciplinary spankings remain very transgressive.  For me, that’s a big part of why I’m still so into this after 20+ years.  Doug described what I see as the “sweet spot” for public acceptance:

 

I think it would be cool if adult disciplinary spanking remained unusual enough to be raise eyebrows and to be a source of embarrassment to people subject to such discipline, but common enough to be recognized as a real thing. Imagine if it was considered normal enough that dominant partners didn’t feel compelled to hide their authoritative status from friends and family. Spankings would still be done behind closed doors, especially when the bottom is bared, but threats and warnings could be made publicly the way parents used to do when kids misbehaved. As I imagine this social evolution, egalitarianism would continue to be the most common marital ideal, but people would accept that some relationships have a D/s dynamic because some adults need discipline. My need for DD embarrasses me, but there is a part of me that wishes that my wife could make it known that she has authority over me. Maybe it would be liberating.

 

I don't know whether I would find it liberating, but I know I do find it titillating.

 

There are obviously many, many permutations of openness to others knowing about our status as DD husbands.

 

At one end of the spectrum might be something as benign as leaving a “pervertable” item around where others could see and, a bit more risqué, in a location that seems a bit out of place.

 

We’ve done that with Anne’s hairbrush and bath brush.  Both are more or less permanently on display on our bathroom counter, and somehow in that place they always catch my attention, even though I see them there every day.   

 

Although we’ve never taken displays of tools further than that, I do find much more open displays pleasantly “edgy” to think about, particularly if I had no say about such display:

 

 

A bit further along the openness spectrum from leaving a somewhat innocusous tool in plain sight might be if the wife were to drop  some strong verbal hints that she disciplines her husband.   

 

Anne has, on a couple of occasions, made a clear reference to spanking while family members were within earshot.  I don’t think any of them heard and, if they did, they might have thought it was a joke.  

 

T. related something along the line of a spanking being hinted at but not quite fully disclosed:

 

We had some family over to the house on Friday, and I was obnoxious to my wife. She actually aggravated me a few days before and it carried over. My big mouth got me into trouble as usual. My Mother was in the room and made a sly comment of, “you’ll be sleeping on the couch tonight”. My wife didn’t skip a beat and said, “He will be standing all day tomorrow.”

 

But, as Doug observed, many older mothers have undoubtedly used similar phrases themselves as a spanking threat and, thus, T.’s mom likely understood what he was in for. T. responded:

 

Yeah. I wondered that as well. . . . At this stage of our DD, I wouldn’t care if my Mother knew my wife strapped me. I am well aware of my deficiencies and it’s why I approached her about DD. I might be embarrassed but I’d get over it quick. As long as it’s never brought up in front of the rest of our family and friends.

 

I’m kind of the opposite when it comes to relatives knowing. Although my mother is not especially judgmental, I still wouldn’t want her to know. Perhaps it’s because we’ve always had a complicated relationship, and the prospect of her knowing feels disempowering, and not in a good way. Also, she was such an erratic disciplinarian, it's hard to imagine her providing any sound feedback on the subject, though a strict mother who would do so has a lot resonance for me.




As an aside, I’ve always loved this drawing of a mother, or mother-in-law, discovering by accident that her son gets spanked. (At least, that's what I imagine is going on.)



The last time I did a full topic about this (three or four years ago), very few people were into others knowing about this kinky little world of ours. So, again, why is it such a prevalent fantasy??

 

Yet, while I fantasize about Anne being more open, I too am inconsistent about exploring it in real life.

 

There is something “edgy” about others knowing that I am a disciplined husband, and that edginess hasn't been diminished in those rare instances when I have told someone about it myself.

 

 I have told one mutual vanilla friend about our DD relationship. I don’t know exactly why I told her. We were (and still are) close friends.  It was early on in our Domestic Discipline relationship, and I think I felt a compulsion to share the big change with someone. 

 

She was married at the time, and Anne and I socialized with them pretty frequently.  She later divorced and remarried, and we socialize with her and the new husband as well.  I don’t know whether she’s told either of them, but I do acknowledge to myself that it’s a possibility.  Oddly, the prospect of her current husband knowing doesn’t really give me that “edgy” feeling; at least not much.  But, the whole situation is a reminder that if you tell one person, you need to accept that it may spread.

 

 

The second time I “outed” myself, I was approached (by email) by a female blogger who is the leader in an FLR relationship.  We talked anonymously for a long time, before gaining sufficient trust to drop that anonymity.  In the ensuing years, that relationship went in some unexpected directions, becoming intertwined with my professional life in some interesting and entertaining ways. There is also a female author who is in a M/f dynamic.  We also talked electronically, and anonymously, for a long period of time before becoming comfortable enough to mutually reveal our real identities. 

 

Now, even though I made the choice to open up with all three of these people, and one of them was a close friend, when I talk live to any of them, there is a certain nervous energy that comes with them knowing about that side of me.

 

I don’t know whether “embarrassed” is the right word, but I am at least very aware when talking to them that they know that my wife is my boss and that she spanks my ass when she is unhappy with me. We’ve become such good friends that 90% of our conversations have nothing to do with DD or spanking but, on the odd occasion when it does come up, I instantly feel that “edginess”, even though their relationships are much like my own (though one is on the other end of the paddle). I feel much like I imagine the woman in this picture might feel, having to call someone and tell them she was spanked.  (At least, that’s what I imagine the picture depicts.)

 


(Counterintuitively, I probably fee less of that "edginess" around the vanilla friend than I do when talking to the two who are in D/s and DD lifestyles.  Maybe it is because the vanilla friend seemingly isn't into these relationships, while the other two not only are interested, but are in a better position to imagine exactly what happens when I get a real spanking?)

 

And, it’s not a bad sort of edginess.  Maybe that’s why I feel an odd desire to let even more people know about this aspect of myself. Though perhaps not this many:

 


Anne and I have been talking a lot lately about her being more openly dominant, and while I’m sure that if she starts doing that it will be embarrassing, I also think it will make me respect her and her power even more. I now that’s been the case with her surprising move to start spanking me with the window shades open.

 

Yet, I still kind of crave even more openness.  As I said above, there is something very hot to me about Al’s wife texting someone about his spankings. Honestly, I’m kind of jealous of it. I wish there were someone in Anne’s life who she as that open with, and I’m not sure why I feel that way. Maybe deep down inside many of us just want to be more authentically who we are, even if we also like being in a “naughty” secret club of sorts? 

 

In fact, I think maybe the “secret club” aspect of the Disciplinary Wives Club was part of what I found so alluring about it, even if I was at that time too cowardly to actually join up.

 

 

Before I retired, work remained a big, big exception to my openness to being open. It was a very conservative, traditional, and competitive profession.  And, my niche within it was pretty insular.  I do think there would have been unpleasant ramifications had my status as a disciplined husband become widely known. 

 

I will leave this topic fairly open-ended, but I’d like to explore more about why so many of you seem to fantasize about others knowing or participating, and yet so many of us jealously guard our privacy in this area.  Some possible questions to address are:

 

  • If you do fantasize about others knowing, how many actually do?  Is there a big gap between the reality and the fantasy?  If so, why?  Is it due to resistance (yours or your spouses) or more about lack of opportunity?
  •  If you have opened up to others, or they somehow found out, how did that affect your relationship with them? Did it change your feelings about them?  Did your interactions with them change?
  •  If you have opened up to others, do they know the nature of the spankings, i.e. that they are for real discipline and punishment?  Is revealing the disciplinary aspect of the relationship give you more angst than revealing that you get spanked?
  •  Do you know about anyone else’s DD or FLR relationship?  How did you come to know about it? Did it change the way you view them?  Did knowing about their relationship lead you to be open with them about yours?
  • Is there anyone you would like to tell about your DD relationship but have not?  What keeps you from telling them?
  •  Do you think your spouse has or might tell someone about your DD relationship?  How would you feel about that? Do you see it as within their authority to do that if they so choose?

For the Disciplinary Wives, if someone does know that you discipline your husband, how do they feel about that?  How do you feel about them knowing? Does it feel empowering? Would you like to be more open about your own disciplinary status, i.e. that you “wear the pants” in the relationship and have the authority to punish your husband?

 

I hope you all have a great week.

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  1. For the Disciplinary Wives, if someone does know that you discipline your husband, how do they feel about that?

    J. had a friend in the armed forces who knew and he was entirely content with that, as he was in the same boat.

    How do you feel about them knowing?

    I was somewhat indifferent about the friend knowing, as he was generally a discreet man.

    Does it feel empowering?

    Not particularly. J. and I maintained the point of view that all punishments should be direct punishments administered to his backside, rather than indirect ones like say humiliation by means of lapses in confidentiality (accidental or otherwise).

    Would you like to be more open about your own disciplinary status, i.e. that you “wear the pants” in the relationship and have the authority to punish your husband?

    To J. and me, the ideal for both of us would have been that an F/M relationship was seen a bit like sex. Everyone expects that a normal married couple will be doing so, but it is their private and intimate life and therefore the details don't need to be shared indiscriminately. Not passing judgment on how anyone else views that subject, but that was how we viewed it.

    L.

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    1. As a rule, I would not want even close friends to know my wife spanks me. There is a neighbor lady I have fantasized about and I would feel excited by my wife discussing this with her, or doing so myself. A problem I see however, is that almost everyone told a secret tells at least one other person.

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    2. That's true Tom. Women like to share secrets with other women without us really knowing.
      We have a good friend who , because of a couple of close calls and my wife's veiled threats in her company , I'm pretty sure knows that my wife spanks me .
      I'm pretty sure my wife has shared some details with her as she is quite proud of her power of the paddle.
      We socialize a lot so when my wife refers to a 'discussion' I'm pretty sure she knows what it really means as sometimes she will use the word 'discussion' too.like " Did you guys have that discussion yet?"
      We are close enough to her that I really don"t mind her knowing and would even entertain being even more open about it.

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    3. Glenore wrote: "she is quite proud of her power of the paddle".

      My wife is as well - and does enjoy "bragging" about spanking me to the three people who know - mentioning that she spanked me or that I have a spanking coming, etc
      --al

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    4. My wife seems to be the exception to wives liking to brag about the power of the paddle. So far, I'm the only one who has done any sharing. The one caveat is she has, on a couple of occasions, talked about it with the vanilla friend who I told about it.

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    5. I love Glenmore’s phrase “the power of the paddle.” For me, that’s what DD and FLR are all about: power. I am sexually excited by my wife having power over me, and paddling my bum is the most primal expression of that power. That’s one reason I am excited by the idea or fantasy of her revealing her power to other people. Power is magnified when it is publicly acknowledged.

      I have come to the conclusion that it is highly probable that my wife has revealed the D/s nature of our relationship to some of her friends. When I have asked her, she has hasn’t answered yes or no. Not telling me is in itself an exercise of power that excites me. But I know that she discusses intimate things with some of her friends, based on stuff she has told me. She has also told me that some of her friends “put up with shit” from their husbands that she would never stand for, some of it very intimate stuff. Example: one of her friends told her that when her husband pesters her for sex and she isn’t in the mood, she will give him a blow job to stop his pestering. She commented to me that her friend’s husband deserves to have his bottom blistered, not to be pacified with blow jobs. Given the intimacy of such sharing among her friends, I think it is likely that she has bragged about the power of the paddle in our relationship.
      Doug

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  2. I have a theory about a reason many of us fantasize about people knowing we are spanked or even having witnesses who see or overhear us being disciplined by our wives. For some reason, some of us have eroticized this form of punishment that has traditionally been reserved for children. However, spankings we get from our wives differ from childhood spankings in one big way: they are private and even secretive. When we were kids, there was nothing secretive about spanking. Kids got spanked at school and spanked at home. I actually witnessed a couple of boys being spanked at school. Pants weren’t lowered for school spankings. Nevertheless, it was embarrassing to be spanked by a teacher. Parents who spanked also made no secret of it. Spanking threats would be made publicly, and in the days before air conditioning, when life was lived with open windows throughout the summer, spankings were frequently overheard by neighbours and friends. In my house, my sisters sometimes saw me spanked with my pants down. On one occasion I remember, a couple of my sisters girlfriends saw me being spanked on the bare. Therefore, for me spankings weren’t just painful, they were embarrassing because of the public aspect. I’m not sure why I eroticized spanking from an early age. Maybe it was a psychological defence mechanism to deal with my fear of the pain and embarrassment of being spanked. But I eroticized both the pain and the embarrassment. I believe that’s the reason I fantasize about my wife embarrassing me by making it known that she spanks me the way my mother once did, or even doing it with witnesses. The fantasy is so strong that I half want her to do it. I think I fantasize about non consensual spanking for the same reason. My parents didn’t need my consent, so if her disciplinary authority is real, why should my wife?
    Doug

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    1. Doug,
      I agree, I was around so many spankings growing up in church, school, home, that it was the norm. I witnessed, observed, overheard so many to even count. My Mother would be scolding us loudly and pick up the phone in a cool calm voice and have a conversation . She would let her fiends know, oh I’m about to spank one of us. I’m
      similar to you, I eroticized the humiliation, pain, embarrassment as I got older. My first girlfriend gave me my first bare bottom strapping at 16. We weren’t even sexually active yet. She laid it on.
      T

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    2. I do suspect that those who were spanked a lot as kids may model prominent aspects of that dynamic as adults. So, if spankings weren't secret, you want more openness as an adult. If spankings were non-consensual as a kid, you want them to feel that way as an adult.

      I'm not sure it quite fits me though, because the reality is that while spanking was very prevalent around me growing up, I wasn't subjected to it very often myself. For me, imposed boundaries are essential to the dynamic, and I'm not modeling what I had in childhood. Exactly the opposite.

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    3. Doug wrote: "when life was lived with open windows throughout the summer, spankings were frequently overheard by neighbours and friends"

      When my wife and I were living in our first "starter" home, I vividly recall being outside one day and overhearing a spanking being given to to a young man of about 10 or 12 who lived across the street. It was a nice Spring day and their windows were obviously open. I was outside doing something or other when I heard the mom loudly scolding her son - followed by the unmistakable sound of some sort of implement being applied to his backside (and, if I had to guess, I would bet it was wood on a bare bottom). The kid was quickly wailing his sorrow and repentance, but to no avail - she kept on paddling. I didn't count - but I know that he got at least 25 whacks. Afterwards, I could hear him blubbering, and his mom scolding him some more.

      At this point I was in my mid-twenties, and it was at least a dozen years before I was to became a DWC husband . And while I never expected that my wife would spank me at that point, I did fantasize about being spanked by a strong woman - and after that, every time I looked at the mom across the street, I couldn't help but think of that spanking, and would often fantasize about some scenario where she had a reason to spank me. (As I've shared before, my spanking interest was kickstarted by an attractive aunt spanking me at age 10 - and reenergized by a spanking from a kinky older lady that I had a fling with at the age of 19). --al

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    4. Al,
      The same exact thing happened to me while collecting for my paper route. I retold this story sometime ago. I was collecting on a spring night. It was dark and as I approached the home, I could see the Mother just starting to spank her daughter bare bottom. This Mom was a no nonsense type of Mom. She was a devout Jehovah. I remember her handing pamphlets. She must have spanked that girl for at least five minutes. She bawled and I watched. I immediately was aroused. Later on sometime, I used to catch a ride to school with the Mom once in a while. I was suspended for a day for fighting. I asked her what she would do to me and she replied, I’d whip your bottom, till you couldn’t sit at school for a week. I of course, fantasized about that for a longtime and heard other spankings from that neighbor.
      T

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    5. Dan wrote: “I do suspect that those who were spanked a lot as kids may model prominent aspects of that dynamic as adults. So, if spankings weren't secret, you want more openness as an adult…. I'm not sure it quite fits me though, because the reality is that while spanking was very prevalent around me growing up, I wasn’t subjected to it very often myself.”

      Dan, it is partly, as you say, a matter of formally modelling adult DD on childhood protocols. So, lots of guys want their wives to spank OTK with a hairbrush because mother did it that way. I am like that to some extent, but not completely. For example, I fetishize my wife’s hairbrush and paddle, although my mother used a wooden spoon. As for spanking having a public aspect, for me it’s not just a matter of following a script set in childhood, its a feeling that embarrassment and shame are an essential aspect of spanking, just like pain. And those feelings are heightened by an audience. A female audience.
      Now that I think of it, maybe my acute sense of embarrassment and shame as a kid was abnormal. When I was in grade 1, the teacher spanked a boy in my class over her knee. I empathized deeply with the boy. I felt that in his place I would die of shame and embarrassment, especially seeing how excited and amused some of the girls seemed to be. But after that I couldn’t stop fantasizing that I was one who got spanked. And in the fantasy, the teacher bared my bottom in front of the class the way my parents spanked me at home. I was too young to know what sex was, but there is no doubt that my feelings were sexual, and having girls as witnesses was essential to those feelings. That raises a question. I previously theorized that I eroticized spanking as a defence mechanism. But maybe I didn’t have to eroticize spanking at all because it was innately sexual for me, the way Jillian Keenan says it was for her. Maybe for that boy who actually got spanked in front of the class, it was embarrassing in the moment but no big deal because it wasn’t sexually shaming for him the way spankings were for me.
      Doug

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    6. Dan wrote: “I do suspect that those who were spanked a lot as kids may model prominent aspects of that dynamic as adults. So, if spankings weren't secret, you want more openness as an adult…. I'm not sure it quite fits me though, because the reality is that while spanking was very prevalent around me growing up, I wasn’t subjected to it very often myself.”

      Dan, it is partly, as you say, a matter of formally modelling adult DD on childhood protocols. So, lots of guys want their wives to spank OTK with a hairbrush because mother did it that way. I am like that to some extent, but not completely. For example, I fetishize my wife’s hairbrush and paddle, although my mother used a wooden spoon. As for spanking having a public aspect, for me it’s not just a matter of following a script set in childhood, its a feeling that embarrassment and shame are an essential aspect of spanking, just like pain.
      Now that I think of it, maybe my acute sense of embarrassment and shame as a kid was abnormal. When I was in grade 1, the teacher spanked a boy in my class over her knee. I empathized deeply with the boy. I felt that in his place I would die of shame and embarrassment, especially seeing how excited and amused some of the girls seemed to be. But after that I couldn’t stop fantasizing that I was one who got spanked. And in the fantasy, the teacher bared my bottom in front of the class the way my parents spanked me at home. I was too young to know what sex was, but there is no doubt that my feelings were sexual, and having girls as witnesses was essential to those feelings. That raises a question. I previously theorized that I eroticized spanking as a defence mechanism. But maybe I didn’t have to eroticize spanking at all because it was innately sexual for me, the way Jillian Keenan says it was for her. Maybe for that boy who actually got spanked in front of the class, it was embarrassing in the moment but no big deal because it wasn’t sexually shaming for him the way spankings were for me.
      Doug
      P.S. I’m curious, Dan. Are spankings inherently embarrassing for you, or is pain the only essential ingredient? I can’t imagine anyone not feeling embarrassed, but maybe other people feel differently. Since spanking was a common form of discipline when I was young, one might suppose it wouldn’t be that embarrassing. But it was for me.

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    7. I have an odd relationship with embarrassment. One the one hand, I *hate* seeing others embarrassed or humiliated. I will even fast-forward past scenes in TV shows or movies that I know involve someone being intentionally embarrassed or humiliated. Yet, I've got pretty thick skin myself. It's probably one of the flip-sides of my tendency toward self-confidence bordering (some would say drifting well over the border) into arrogance.

      But, I'm not immune to it. I can get embarrassed during a strong scolding or lecture, but it depends a lot on whether I agree with her about the subject of the scolding. I tend to get embarrassed when I violate *my own* principles, as opposed to someone else' views about how I should act.

      But, do I find spankings themselves embarrassing? Not really. I do find them humbling, because there is a distinct power imbalance on display. But it doesn't feel the same as embarrassment.

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    8. Dan, like you I also hate to see other people embarrassed or humiliated, even in fictional contexts like TV shows, movies, or books. Unlike you, I am not thick skinned. When I feel embarrassed about committing some social gaffe or saying something stupid, it affects me deeply, to the point that I still feel the sting of remembered embarrassments from adolescence and childhood. That’s why I hate to see other people humiliated, I think. Because of my hypersensitivity to embarrassment and humiliation, I empathize with other people who suffer humiliations.

      Your distinction between “embarrassing” and “humbling” is interesting. They are related emotions, insofar as both sting our pride, yet they are totally distinct, and to be humbled has a positive connotation. I think that when my wife spanks or scolds me, I feel both simultaneously embarrassed and humbled. Being humbled means that I am learning a lesson from my wife. She is making me swallow my pride in a way I see as justified, even if it stings. The simultaneous embarrassment or humiliation, on the other hand, is a more primal and, for me, sexual feeling. I associate the word “shame” with that feeling too. I think that the words embarrassed, humiliated, humbled, shamed are 4 words that loosely cover a wide spectrum of emotional states, sexual and non sexual.
      Doug

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    9. A further point about the word “embarrassed”. I long ago came up with my own fanciful and erotically suggestive etymology for the word. I hear it as “‘em-bare-assed”, meaning having one’s ass bared for discipline. I know that the true etymology (the word’s derivation from Latin roots) has nothing to do with “bare ass”, but because of the word’s association with spanking for me, that’s what I always hear.
      Doug

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  3. Dan, that picture of the young woman talking on the phone really pushes my buttons too. Like you, I imagine her having to tell someone on the phone that she has been spanked. Maybe she has been spanked for offending someone and she has to apologize and explain the price she has paid or is about to be paid. Or maybe she has to tell a friend that she can’t come out because she has been spanked and grounded. The thing that gets me most is that way she is being infantalized by having to sit on a tiny children’s chair with her jeans pulled down. How embarrassing that would be!
    Doug

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    1. My favorite has always been the one looking through the window. DWC I believe. It reminded me of being young and witnessed a neighbors daughter getting a bare bottom spanking.

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    2. Yes, that pic was originally on the DWC site, along with a companion pic. In the original version, there is a man (the neighbor) peeping through the window watching the spanking (where the dialog bubble is now). In the companion pic, the wife of the peeping is in her home next door looking out her window and watching her husband peep at the spanking. And, in the hand of the wife watching her husband peep, is a copy of the DWC handbook - implying that the curious husband peeping will soon be the husband getting spanked. I had always hoped for a third pic - showing the peeping husband getting spanked by his wife, possibly while the neighbor couple (that he was watching) sitting on an opposite couch watching the spanking.

      I knew that a friend of Kay and Jerry had done those drawings for her, and I actually suggested that third pic to her, but alas, it never came about. If I could draw at all (I can't), I would give it a shot myself. --al

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    3. Yeah, I have that second one in my connection too, and the original version of this one without the dialog bubble someone added.

      I can't draw either. I'm sure an AI could do your proposed third version, except that many of the AIs will not accept an instruction to replicate an existing work, because they've finally gotten worried about copyright.

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    4. Doug, there are a number of possible interpretations. I can see it being a call placed after a spanking, telling someone it happened, but it could also be calling someone (the spanker?) beforehand, telling them it is going to happen or that she is ready for it.

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    5. Dan, I agree that numerous interpretations are possible with that picture. That’s why pictures provide such rich stimulus for fantasy and speculation.
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    6. Doug, as an aside, a few posts back you mentioned the 1990s series Northern Exposure. I've been binge watching it for awhile. In most not have been at all sensitive to D/s issues when I watched it the first time. I had totally forgotten that in season 6, episode 9, Maggie becomes Mayor and Chris becomes totally fixated on her because of her new power. He explains to Ed how he's always had a fetish for powerful women and talks about how he get excited by the female judge who sentenced him to prison.

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    7. I will look forward to that episode, Dan. My wife and I are gradually working our way through the series. We are in season 4 now. Doug

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    8. IMO, it's not quite as good as I remember. It was pretty ground breaking at the time, but now I find a lot of the fantasy and "going back in time" sequences annoying, though I always see that kind of stuff as lazy writing for series that are running out of steam. It's also kind of annoying to me how little character growth there is until the last season. A series that I now see as somewhat similar--and that definitely can annoy me in some ways--but is way better with heartwarming character arcs is Schitts Creek. And, the first season of Ted Lasso. But, I do still give Northern Exposure credit for being very inventive for its time.

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    9. I just got to episode 20, where Chris has a dream about a dominatrix.

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    10. Wow, I have a lot to look forward to. ;-)
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  4. I have told a couple of friends over the years about my interest in spanking and more recently that my wife straps me for poor behaviour. At both times I thought it was ‘the big reveal’ but neither friend showed much interest.

    One friend said no surprise, it’s obvious who the Boss is in your relationship. The other just didn’t seem that interested. I’ve rationalised it in that whilst DD is very important to me & takes up a lot of headspace, if you don’t have the interest then it’s just another variation of human behaviour. I firmly believe that most people have one or multiple ‘kinks’ ( just look at the variety on FetLife) and if someone told me they had a foot fetish for example, I would probably not be very interested or think any differently about them … TB

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    1. Yeah, as we've discussed on this forum numerous times over the years - we spanked husbands probably make much more a big deal out of it in our own minds that it really is. Most people would simply be indifferent or find it to be no big deal - as TB noted, I would simply have no interest in hearing about someone's foot fetish. And, if they were otherwise a responsible person, I certainly wouldn't find it to be a big deal - or judge them as weird. I would guess that the members here are more likely to be open minded about "kinks", but, in general, I think our society is trending that way. --al

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    2. That's been my experience with the one vanilla friend I told. She's not exactly "uninterested", because we've been close friends for 30 years, and we care about what's going on in each other's lives. But, that's the level it's at --- just curiosity about how a friend is doing, what they are up to, what big things are happening in their life, etc. I could tell she had no real interest in the subject matter itself. And, as TB said, that shouldn't be a surprise, since there are all sorts of fetishes that wouldn't stimulate any mental interest on my part if a friend told me about them.

      I'm not quite as sure that most people have kinks. I think our views may be skewed by the population we hang out with electronically, in forums like this one. I think there are certainly lots of kinky people out there, but I also think there are a whole lot of vanilla people who are perfectly happy with very vanilla sex lives.

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    3. I have to agree with TB and Al here insofar as kinks or "kink aptitude" is probably biologically determined in homo sapiens. There is just too vast a catalogue of kink types to believe most people don't have a kink of one sort or another -- or the potential to develop one. What differs is whether we discover the kink ( or kinks) we do have, and how strong the kink is. Spanking, for example, is a widely popular kink, but apparently people vary enormously in the intensity of it, from some for whom spanking is synonymous with sex, to those for whom it barely registers sexually.
      The historic role of religion repressing sexuality in Western society has numbed us to the real world panoply of sexuality. Consider just the phrase "missionary position" to illustrate why so many of us still believe "vanilla" is normal.
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  5. Outside of my wife making a few innuendos to strangers, the only one that truly knows is her best friend who lives out of state. She has made a few comments now in front of my Mother. The difference in our relationship compared to others on here, is that she still wants me to lead. I have no issue with that as long as she holds me accountable for my actions. I don’t need or want at this stage a FLR or a WLM. I stated I don’t care at this point if my Mother knows, although it would be embarrassing. She probably would comment like well, I whipped your bare butt when you were young and it worked. My wife is adamant about keeping our private life private. We don’t bring it up amongst friends and still would not want to share this information with others. I truly don’t believe they would get it. To answer your question Dan, there is a big gap between fantasy and reality. The reality for me is that I don’t get punished enough due to everyday life that gets in the way. I fantasy about getting spanked to tears like when young. I’ve only opened up to strangers with comments like, I better get home before my wife beats my bottom. They chuckle. I don’t know anyone else in DD, although I suspect there may be a friends brother who could be in one. I think if I were to tell anyone at this point it would probably be my Mom. I for some reason would not mind it. I think as I’ve gotten older, that I’m over the secretiveness of it. Due to my professional life, this has to stay buried similar to Dan. My wife actually would not want to share this with anyone except her best friend. Her siblings do not know either. I’m good with her best friend knowing, we don’t see her, she lives across the country. Her husband needs a good thrashing. Knowing that she knows, I would love for her to witness my wife giving me a discipline thrashing.
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    1. I think most of my true friends, and some of Anne's, would "get it" in terms of understanding it and being non-judgmental, but as TB said above, most of them likely would be indifferent to it. As I've alluded to in a couple of comments, there is one friend I made about a year ago who has said somethings that I think could be signaling some kind of power exchange arrangement, whether DD or some kind of FLR or WLM. And, watching him and his wife together, they have that vibe of her being firmly in charge. But, who knows?

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    2. The topic of our mom suspecting we were spanked because of spanking inuendo comments our wife might make came up recently. My mom passed away just a couple of years after my wife and I were married. However, had she lived to a ripe old age and been around as we entered the DWC lifestyle, I strongly suspect that she might have picked up on it. Due to family health issues, I wasn't spanked after about age 6 or 7 (other than the one time by my aunt at age 10) - but before then, like all kids of that time and place, I was spanked on a regular basis (switch or belt usually - never bare bottom paddled) - and was daily threatened with with all the spanking vernacular of the day - "warm you bottom", "you won't be sitting for a week", "tan that hide", etc. I do believe my mom would most likely have picked up on the spanking laden inuendo that Susan sometimes uses. And, I'm fairly sure my mom would have approved, and I think I would have been ok with her knowing.

      My wife's mom lived for the first ten years or so of our DWC lifestyle, and while it was never mentioned at all - by her, Susan, Susan's sister (who learned of our DWC lifestyle fairly early on) - I sometimes think that her mom probably suspected that Susan spanked me (and it is possible that the sister told her at some point, we all lived within minutes of each other, with a lot of family interaction - although she denied it when I asked her once - but that doesn't mean that she really didn't).

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    3. Al, your early background is probably most similar to mine, as I lost my biological father when I was about 6. I'm sure my mother spanked me when I was young, but I have no clear memory of it. I have one very distinct memory of my father threatening me with one, but I don't remember whether it actually happened. I would be astonished if my mother didn't spanking me multiple times after my father was gone, because she certainly wasn't averse to it. I recall her spanking one of my step-sisters after she got remarried. My stepfather spanked me one time, and I held a grudge about it for years, because it was in a situation I considered totally unfair.

      As I said above, I really can't imagine telling my mother. Our relationship is complicated, and I don't feel any inclination to share much of a very personal nature with her. It's not that I think she'd be judgmental or that I don't trust her not to spread it around. But, I just don't see her as a confidant in my life.

      There's been kind of an interesting twist with siblings lately. I used to say that I would be very embarrassed for my siblings to find out about me being spanked, especially one sister with whom I'd always had a somewhat strained relationship. But, after earlier this year after a big crisis that ended in a big loss in the family, we were kind of forced into close cooperation and emerged with a much better, stronger relationship. I don't have any compelling desire to tell either sibling about our DD, but I could now see myself doing so. So, apparently a lot of my reticence about specific persons knowing depends on whether I see them as someone who likes and supports me or someone who is resentful or competitive.

      As for Anne, she pretty much detests all her siblings, especially her sister. There definitely will not be any sharing going on there.

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  6. Al here. In his blog post this week, Dan mentioned my recounting of how Susan had told our close male friend that she spanks me regularly for disciplinary purposes. Synchronistically, that situation evolved yet further - probably about the time Dan was composing and posting this blog edition.

    Our friend, Ben, stopped by Sunday afternoon just to hang out. I don't drink a lot, but Ben is always up for a drink, so as we often do, we poured a couple of drinks and went out to sit on the deck by the pool - nice Spring day. Susan was messing around in the kitchen and told us she would join us in a few. On the way out the door to the deck, Susan told me that I should tell him about our morning (meaning - how she spanked the daylights out of me). After a few minutes, Ben asked what Susan meant about what happened this morning. Since Ben already knows that I am a spanked husband, I told him that she just wanted me to tell him how she had paddled my ass this morning. I've reached the point with him where it was only mildly uncomfortable to say that (and the booze helped as well) . Although I could tell that he might have been interested in more details, I just left it at that.

    A few minutes later, Susan joined us an immediately asked me "Did you tell him about your morning" - as if part of my punishment was to tell our friend that she had spanked me. I replied that I had indeed told Ben that she had paddled my ass. She then asked if I had told him "why" (it was a Sunday maintenance spanking but I hadn't gotten extra for being a smartass the night before after I had foolishly allowed myself to get sucked into a political discussion with some neighbors). I replied to Susan that I had not,

    At which point, Susan said, "Well, let me tell you why" - and proceeded on about how she had blistered my bare behind for being rude to the neighbors even after she had warned me not to - and so on. I could see Ben was confused after a bit, Apparently he really had the idea that her spanking me was just a sexual thing (and that I even "got off" during the spanking) and that the "discipline" was just a role play type of thing - despite what Susan had said before.

    This led to me feeling that I had to offer Ben a more in depth explanation of the DWC philosophy and lifestyle - including the "mechanics" of how I was spanked - again, the booze helped - and Susan chimed in. Ben did seem genuinely interested and respectful - although he did say along the way that if Susan ever felt he needed a spanking, that I could have his. At one point - after a couple of drinks for him as well - he said something like "that would be interesting to watch". Susan, ever quick on her feet and not missing a beat, replied that he could watch - but only if he agreed to let her spank him next. I think he was a bit taken aback by this - so Susan added that she would go easy on him since it would be his first time - say 20 whacks (and he had already been told that I typically got a minimum of a hundred). He laughed and said he would have to think about it - I suspect that he really wants to watch - but is it worth 20 whacks... I don't think that he has any real desire to be spanked himself (or maybe just a few whacks just out of curiosity). This was a conversation that I never expected to have - especially with another dude that I know well. Not to mention - Susan offering to let him watch - without even asking me how I would feel about it (it would be enormously embarrassing, but I would comply if she told me to - and, embarrassment aside, it would also make for a very hot memory). We will see how this unfolds as time goes along...

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    1. That's a very interesting development! Susan apparently really wants to spank him, doesn't she!

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    2. Dan wrote: "Susan apparently really wants to spank him, doesn't she!"

      Yeah, she does - just because she loves to spank for the joy of spanking and the idea of a fresh behind is probably appealing to her. And - she does honestly believes that he could benefit from regular disciplinary spankings - although I doubt that he does (but, you never know, he may give in to a "sample spanking").

      She has enjoyed spanking me in front of her sister and her college buddy girl friend over the years - and I think the idea of spanking me in front of a dude is appealing to her as well. Again - it is a mixed bag for me - embarrassing and hot at the same time - but I would enjoy watching her spank another dude as well. (I have watched her spank both her sister and her college friend - as they are both switches - although neither was full disciplinary like I get. And I'm sure a spanking for Ben would not be either - at least not the first one. And, really, I'm not sure there would be a second - but you never know). .... --al

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    3. Wow, what an amazing development, al. I am jealous.
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    4. Al,
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      Away by that. We as a group have put back our share of libations, and DD has never come up in the conversation. I will say there is a friends cousin who has admitted she likes a good spanking now and then. Over a few cocktails, she did say she was spanked religiously by her Mother. I’ve been around her Mother, who is a pain in the ass. Her Mother is extremely over the top opinionated.
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    5. T wrote: "We as a group have put back our share of libations, and DD has never come up in the conversation."

      Just to clarify - since the background on this story is somewhat spread out here and there on different threads and blog weeks. Our male friend, Ben, had already known at the time of our Sunday afternoon booze-lubricated discussion that I was a spanked husband - for several months. A paddle had been left out sometime back (not the first time - we've gotten careless with the kids gone). He saw it and asked Susan about it (I was not home at the time) - and, for whatever reason, she felt the need to tell him about our disciplinary wife lifestyle in response. He was quite openminded about it and thought it was "kinda cool". Susan confessed to me a bit later that she had told him - resulting in a tense conversation, but ultimately I just said "whatever - what's done is done - can't change it, and will just have to deal". While I was initially very concerned, eventually I just accepted the idea - even as Susan continued to share details of our lifestyle with Ben (texts that I had a spanking coming, etc).

      However, in spite of all that, he still had a very confused picture of what our lifestyle was about - and that resulted in the Sunday afternoon discussion over drinks. (After Susan began telling him why she had spanked me earlier that morning).

      To be clear, this is not something I ever expected to unfold in my life - and my fantasies never involved other men knowing of our DWC lifestyle. But here we are. --al

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  7. I have told 3 people that my wife spanks me:

    1. The psychotherapist I have been working with. She knows all about my childhood spanking trauma, as well as my D/s relationship with my wife, and my conflicted feelings about my masochistic sexuality. It took me quite a while to get to some stuff, with quite a bit of beating around the bush, because of the embarrassment. But she is a professional psychologist who assures me I don’t need to feel embarrassed or inhibited. She says I don’t need to feel ashamed of my masochism and my submissiveness since it doesn’t harm anyone and my wife seems to have adapted to it. In my head, I know she is right, but I still feel ashamed. Lately, it has occurred to me that there is a D/s vibe to the relationship between a psychotherapist and a client because she knows such intimate things about my life. It is like metaphorical CFNM, which is one of my kinks, so…Not sure what to think about that.

    2. Some years ago I discovered that one of my oldest male friends, going back to high school days also has a spanking kink. However, he has a M/f orientation rather than a F/m orientation like me. I know that he and his wife have dabbled in consensual M/f erotic spanking, but without much satisfaction because she isn’t into it. So he lives mostly in a spanko fantasy world. He knows that my wife and I have a FLR with DD spanking. Although he isn’t into F/m spanking, I think he is a bit jealous that I get some of what I want. That reminds me of a fantasy I didn’t mention last week. My fantasy is based on a Black Mirror episode in which 2 male friends play a super realistic virtual reality game. One of them uses a female avatar, and they end up having super realistic virtual sex in the game. That suggested a fantasy to me: if we had access to such virtual reality, I could have a M/f spanking relationship with my friend, with me in the role of a woman who gets spanked over his knee. The fantasy really turns me on, which is weird because I am not gay. He’s not gay either, so I have obviously not told him about the fantasy because that would be very awkward. (See why I need therapy?)

    3. After my mother died, I got into a deep conversation with my older sister about childhood memories. I ended up telling her how humiliating it was for me as a child to be spanked in front of her and my other sisters. I asked whether she remembered that the way did. She said that, yes, the spankings happened the way I remembered. But whereas I always thought my sisters were amused when I was punished, she said she hated it when our father used his belt on me because she didn’t understand why anyone would punish “a shy, gentle boy” (as she saw me) so harshly. I ended up confessing to her that, possibly as a result of that childhood trauma, I developed a spanking fetish and a submissive personality and was subject to disciplinary spankings from my wife. She promised she wouldn’t tell anyone else. I don’t think she told my other sisters because she doesn’t get along with them. It is possible she would have told my mother.
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      It’s interesting, how does a psychotherapist feel about the way you have developed this need for punishment. Does she feel it was a direct result of childhood trauma? Does she see your relationship with your wife regarding DD as beneficial or hurtful towards therapy and healing. My siblings and I don’t talk about our punishments growing up. My brother despises the way he was spanked and amounts it to abuse. He was also the most stubborn child I have ever seen.

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    2. “It’s interesting, how does a psychotherapist feel about the way you have developed this need for punishment. Does she feel it was a direct result of childhood trauma?”

      She is agnostic about that. She does believe that the kind of harsh punishment I got from my father should be considered “abuse”, and that it was undoubtedly traumatic, and that I need to deal with my feelings about that. But she says it is difficult to say for sure there is a cause and effect relationship between childhood spanking and masochism, for reasons Dan and other people here have argued. But she doesn’t discount the possibility either. She believes there is clearer correlation between that kind of abuse and other problems I have, specifically my lifelong struggle with anxiety, self doubt, low self esteem, and suppressed anger.

      “ Does she see your relationship with your wife regarding DD as beneficial or hurtful towards therapy and healing.”

      Overall, she is surprisingly positive about DD and FLR for me. I told her at the outset that I have “masochistic kinks”. She told me that she doesn’t explicitly call herself a “kink positive therapist” because she believes many kinks are harmless, but some aren’t. She said she has seen cases where sadomasochistic obsessions can lead to serious harm and self harm, so she couldn’t guarantee in advance that she would affirm that everything I would tell her about my kinks is healthy and fine. I thought that was fair. I half expected her to think that a D/s relationship in which there is a real 24/7 power imbalance that includes real corporal punishment would be unhealthy, but she seems to think that it is a creative way to deal with my sexual issues. Based on the details I have given her, she thinks my wife is handling things wisely. I sometimes wish my wife would be stricter and harsher, but I sense that she thinks my wife’s moderation is a healthy brake on my immoderate fantasies. Maybe she figures that if there is going to be a real power imbalance, it is good that my wife is the one with the power. Something that Dan would like is that she gently resists my tendency to search constantly for psychiatric labels for myself, saying that “it isn’t useful to pathologize everything.” I seem to recall Dan making similar comments.
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    3. Indeed, I'm definitely skeptical of over-pathologizing unconventional behavior. I'm also skeptical of assigning cause-and-effect relationships, whether in the form of Freudian psychoanalysis or evolutionary biology. It's not that I thin any of those things are always wrong. I'm just skeptical of leaping right to them.

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    4. " It's not that I think any of those things are always wrong. I'm just skeptical of leaping right to them".

      That is why forming a hypothesis is so helpful. It opens the mind to a possibility while potentially guarding against the many cognitive biases to which humans are prone
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    5. Agreed, though don't you also find that people's hypotheses when it comes to behavior reflect that those biases, and then when judging the rightness of their hypotheses there is a strong tendency to add confirmation bias to the mix? Plus, a hypothesis generally implies a follow-up data gathering or testing phase, and particularly the stuff we talk about here but also much of social "science" just isn't very testable.

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    6. Dan said: “also much of social science just isn't very testable.”

      That depends on the question asked, the quality of data ( if any) collected, and the competence of the interpretations derived from that data. Social science is capable of sound research following a “scientific method”, based generally on the principles of “hard” science ( chemistry, physics, etc.). The problem of testability ( more formally, the problem of “falsifiability”) is the challenge of testing a question or issue in a way that can be measured, data collected, and analyzed. Measurement is a huge but not insurmountable problem in social science. For example, many of the “social science” issues that this blog explores could, in principle, be tested if subjected to a rigorous scientific research process.
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    7. Agreed, though I think the key word in the last sentence is "in principle." And, in many cases, the hypotheses we talk about here just aren't testable or subject to quality data gathering. The perfect example is probably evolutionary biology. We can all come up with hypotheses about why something like DD or FLR might have come to us as a genetic adaptation because it conferred some advantage on our hunter-gatherer ancestors. But, no matter how logical, there is no real way to test it or gather any historical data to confirm or disconfirm. In fact, one thing that's really jumped out at my lately in reading books like Sapiens and other books that compare modernity to hunter-gather society are based on the same tiny, tiny number (like two or three) surviving hunter-gatherer societies. From that infinitesimally small sample size, they purport to derive all sorts of conclusions about hunter-gather health, diet, social arrangements, etc.

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    8. I agree that "small N's" are often over generalized ( in hard science too).

      But if a hypothesis can't be tested , by definition it isn't scientific. However often a hypothesis that lacks falsifiability can be re-formulated in a way that allows one to ask the question and gather data and suggest valid conclusions. Science advances incrementally and tentatively so an issue that can't be pursued with rigor today may be tomorrow with more knowledge and or better methods

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    9. I don’t think it would be possible to prove that childhood spanking CAUSES adult spanking fetishes or other masochistic traits. I have a sense that there could be a causal link for me, based on introspection, but there is no way of knowing whether I would have turned out differently had I not been spanked as a child. I had such a strong vicarious response to spankings I witnessed that I would probably have developed a spanking fetish without being spanked myself.
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    10. Doug, I tend to disagree with that. I think someone that has never had a spanking, observed, or grew up in an environment is less apt to develop any type of the issues we have. I know we won’t know till twenty years from now, but let’s face the facts. Their are no snowflakes posting on Dans site here, as a matter of fact, with Julie’s blog down, how many more DD blogs are their? I don’t want to get into the Freud thing, because I agree with you both. that is becomes a a touchy subject. What I like about you Doug, is that you researched a kink therapist to see. I actually thought about that not too long ago for the first time ever. I’m a man’s man and would never think of ever seeing one, but someone who understands what we’ve been through might be different.
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  8. Like most of you, I too have a fantasy where someone else knows my husband is spanked. He’s never been comfortable with the idea of someone else knowing however a few months ago he told me he wouldn’t mind if I ever told my sister. She and I ended up having lunch one day and I told her about our domestic discipline dynamic and the fact that I spank him. She listened and was interested but is definitely more on the vanilla side so cant relate. We havent talked about it since but there have been times when she has stopped by and our leather paddle has unintentionally been out in view. A few weeks ago we had our baby and while still in the hospital my parents surprise stopped by our home to clean and decorate it. It wasn’t until we got home that I realized they had definitely found our paddle. They never mentioned it and I didn’t ask but because I’ve told them before that I am the head of the house I’m sure they have put two and two together.

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      Interesting development as we do not leave our implements out, even though we are empty nesters. They certainly know now. I will say that most parents know who is in charge in the relationship. If in front of our group of friends, they will tell you I wear the pants in the family. They are correct but, when I am wrong, my wife will correct me, even in front of them. It will be subtle and discreet. When we get home, it’s a whole different story. She is not a yeller or will raise her voice. She will simple say I’m disappointed and disgusted in your behavior. You know what you need and I already know a strapping is coming. I appreciate when my wife is firm and direct. I’m still sitting on a sore bottom due to my mouth. It continues to get me into trouble. She said one day, I will learn. I’m going to continue to teach you until you learn. Like some wives hear, she continues to improve on her straightforwardness and verbal scolding skills. It’s something I admire about her. The only thing I wish is that she would punish more immediate after the infraction, but I appreciate her keeping me in line.
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    2. Miss E., congratulations on the baby.

      Do you think either of your parents will ever bring it up?

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    3. Thank you! My parents have always taught us to keep certain things private in your marriage so I know they won’t bring it up or ever comment on it unless I asked them first. Interestingly enough I had a conversation with my younger brother this weekend where he joked around and talked about how he wanted a girlfriend who would tell him what to do and how he would “wear a collar” if she wanted him to. So I wouldn’t be surprised if one day we shared our relationship with him as he got older, especially if he had a more dominant wife.

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    4. It would be great if you and your brother were able to share that sometime in the future.

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  9. Sorry I am late to the party, but I will try to catch up on this great topic. Not too much of a fantasy of allowing others to be aware of our FLR and my being a spanked submissive male as many of our friends do know. Perhaps our FLR has led to the fact our circle of friends have many others also in similar relationships. It is a common discussion topic whenever we are with those friends and my life partner has spanked many of the males and many other wives have spanked me. If a vanilla friends discovers our lifestyle, we do not try to hide it. We do not broadcast it, but if someone learns of it or asks, I try to explain it citing the many benefits of an FLR. Such as no arguments, grudges, silent treatments, the fact that an issue is dealt with quickly and then it is completely over. Also how a physical spanking is the best deterrent to poor behavior. For the most part, these discussions have not altered our friendships. Some simply ignore our FLR while others inquire more and a few have actually tried it. I guess there is nobody I want to open up to or wish they knew, but none I would intentionally hide it from either. I do not believe my partner would tell others about our lifestyle without my knowledge, nor would I do likewise.

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    1. Regarding people I wish knew, the only people who fall into that category are male friends who I think could benefit from it, and there are very few of those. There is the guy who I have been picking up "FLR" vibes from. He and I definitely share many of the personality traits that get me spanked. I had a former work friend who always thought really needed it, and his wife definitely needed some empowerment, but I never got the sense that it would be well-received. The balance you've struck--not broadcasting it but not hiding it either--seems like a great approach.

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  10. What happened to Strict Julie?

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    1. Her blog was removed for conduct unbecoming lol!

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  11. Seriously does anyone know what happened with Strict Julie…while I too disagreed with almost all of her politics I loved her blog and it introduced me to this one. My wife and I are 100% anonymous with the exception of a therapist who I started seeing about six months ago. She is kinky(BDSM and non-monogamy, sex therapist and addiction counselor). I started seeing her because I needed a real live person to ta;ok about my DD/FLR relationship with my wife. Since she is a specialist in BDSM/sex therapy and an addiction counselor I figured she would be helpful in reducing my drinking and using DD to help with that. I was right she has been helpful….At our last session we reviewed my chronicle of my behavior in between disciplinary sessions with my wife. I usually have my wife read this at our weekly checkin and then the discipline usually follows. It was interesting sharing and discussing with a third party. The therapist had some interesting insights about my drinking. Part of the reason I over drink sometimes is related to rituals. The crushing of ice, mixing of the cocktail…it is all caught up in the allure and relaxation that alcohol is so good at. Another part of it is a defiance of my wife and the rules….an actual game of “getting away with it”…This is becoming less and less a thing though since I am required to self report and never lie. Also, the use of 4 day in a row spankings when drinking is involved has been quite effective. The last 10 days since my last disciplinary session I have had only 2 days of drinking more than allowed(3 drinks in one day), and I have also been compliant with 1 day each week that is completely dry. Anyway…I’m way off topic….sorry. No we are 100% in the closet outside of this blog and my therapist. I don’t want anyone to know. I can entertain fantasies about being disciplined by some of her female friends with her and/or at her direction, but it’s pure fantasy. in reality I would be very sorry that they knew about her spanking me.

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    1. Jackson, see Julie's comments to last week's post. Google took down her blog. She assumes it was because some of her recent posts involved some "Daddy" and age-play elements.

      That's great that you found a therapist who is not only kink-free but is open to working DD into her therapeutic approach. I have assumed many therapists would shy away from that, for liability reasons.

      No worries about your DD-oriented approach to alcohol reduction being "off topic." It's interesting and possibly helpful to others. It does help me put my own issues with alcohol into perspective. I'm usually trying for 5 or more dry days a week. But, for me the issue isn't daily drinking; it's bingeing when I do drink. But, I blew the hell out of that goal on our recent vacation, but how can you not at an all-inclusive resort.

      Good luck!

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    2. It’s amazing to me how many people are freaked out over Julie, it was only a matter of time and I believe had nothing to do w politics. Her stories became too extreme for the sensors to ignore

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    3. I've noticed recently a number of unsigned anonymous posts. No big deal - I sometimes forget to sign my anonymous posts as well. But it is helpful in following the conversation to know who is commenting. Just a suggestion for all of us who post anonymously. --al

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    4. Agreed. Everyone, please comply with the instructions at the bottom of the comment section. Please use a name or initials when commenting, so we can keep track of who we are replying to.

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    5. Indeed blog is down. I was pushing boundaries, but never crossed to any sexual contact between adults and minors. I think with so much focus on child porn, us spankos who fantasize about being a younger age when spanked get caught in the crosshairs. It’s a pity, as I always imagine myself to be a horny 16 or so for my spankings!

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    6. Same here, Julie. When my wife spanks me, I feel like I am about 14 years old.
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    7. Yeah, it's a tough line. We talk here all the time about the origins of our spanking and discipline wants/needs, and the vast majority of people (excluding me) seem to develop those interests as teens or younger. So, talking about how we got here as adults inevitably involves talking about our desires/interests as kids. And, I agree with you on the "horny 16" thing. We've gone totally overboard with this pretense that teenagers are sexless innocents waiting to be victimized. I was horny way before 16, and my interests tended strongly toward older women.

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  12. Thank you for your kind words Dan, and good luck to you too. Five dry days! Wow! I will probably work up from one dry day. I don’t usually binge…I do want more than 3…but 4-5 seems to be satisfying, but it violates our rules. My goal is to become purely a social drinker where I might have a cocktail, then a glass of wine at dinner and maybe(not always) a night cap. It’s challenging for me. If I can get to 3 and maybe up the dry days to two or even three per week I would be healthier and satisfied with my progress. If I fail at doing that within the next year or so I think I’ll have to just stop all together, and I really don’t want to do that. I get a lot of enjoyment having a few while socializing with friends or even just relaxing with my wife. Cheers! Oh….we are going back to our home state to visit friends this weekend , and I haven’t had discipline in about 10 days…I’m pretty sure I have a hell of a preventative session coming this afternoon or tomorrow.

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    1. Jackson, I'd guess that most readers of this website would love to have a counselor knowledgeable in and open to DD and FLR. You are very fortunate. How did you ever find her? Any hints on how one might go about that?

      As to drinking, I've often doubted whether spanking could successfully and permanently reduce that problem for many who have it. However, your 4-day in row approach might be the best treatment I've heard. If you've had a good blistering, you certainly would refrain each of those days and it would likely have a strong carryover effect.

      I'm a broken record (with a few others in agreement) that another effective approach for discipline is a post-orgasm spanking. That also has a lasting impact and serves as a substantial deterrent.

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    2. I too have a therapist who is kink friendly and aware of my lifestyle. I found her by googling bdsm/kink friendly therapists in my area and it pulled up pages where “kinky” individuals listed all businesses that had specific kink friendly connections

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    3. Jackson, I usually want 2 to 3. But, if I have 4, it's often going to turn into 6 or 8. Or more every once in a bad while.

      Regarding dry days, I used not to have a very specific goal, but I always said there were more days a week that I was totally sober than I drank. Then, I started drifting over that line a few too many times.

      Last year, I started using an app called Sunnyside. It aims to help people reach that state of moderation you are looking for, not so much to quick drinking entirely. It hasn't helped me that much in completely forgetting my limits once I have that "one too many", but it has helped me make a decision not to start at all sometimes, and it has helped a bit with, for example, stopping after two at dinner and not having a nightcap at home, which often would become a bad night of staying up past midnight, watching movies or listening to music.

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    4. Thank you for the Sunnyside info Dan! Graham and Miss E. I found mine on a google search as well. I think I put in Kink, Bdsm, Therapist and the name of my city. Then I read bios and histories on individual therapists that came up and found one that I felt resonated with me. I then watched her FB, and Instagram page for quite a while(a few months). Then I scheduled a 30 minute in person free meet and greet to see if I fit her as a client and her me as a therapist. Then I did an intake initial meeting and started monthly meetings. She is a 150/hour and I haven’t tried to file it on insurance and may not. I am super careful about DD/FLR anonymity….not out of embarrassment. I just want to protect the special nature of the relationship between my wife and myself…Our FLR with DD is this private secret that belongs only to us and that is special in an almost sacred sort of way. I have never seen a therapist before and am really enjoying just having someone that I can tell anything…get their opinion and thoughts and know that it goes no where else. I am really lucky in that she really is a great fit for me since she has expertise in addiction, sex, kink, BDSM and FLR. I have found that as I have aged(I am in early sixties) my sexual desire has actually ramped up. My wife and I have sex at least once a week now and it is great! And I usually masturbate by edging myself at least one day, sometimes two days a week. It’s nice to have someone to discuss these changes with, and get their thoughts. I don’t think I will ever need more than once each month, but it is certainly worth $150 a month to me to have that support element in my life.

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  13. Another fantasy that I didn’t get to post last week is being spanked in front of my wife’s book club. I have known about half the members for a very long time, and it would be beyond embarrassing. The problem with that scenario is that my wife would be more embarrassed for anyone to know that she spanks than apparently I would be to have it known I was spanked.
    -3pops

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    1. That would definitely never happen with us. My wife is also in a book club, and she says that some of the members get turned off by even mild sex scenes in their books.

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    2. While I like 3pops’ book club spanking fantasy, I don’t think it is realistic for the reason Dan says. Most people would rather not be involved as witnesses to something they would perceive as a kinky sex act that should be kept private. Even people who aren’t prudish about sex would probably feel that way. I view it as my wife’s prerogative to keep our FLR and DD private or to involve other people as she sees fit. It is undoubtedly a good thing that our FLR is guided by her sense of propriety than by my wild fantasies.
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  14. Dan: A lot of questions covering a lot of possibilities!

    It may take several posts to answer them all. It might work best to make my answers in somewhat "time chronological order," rather than the order of original questions.

    "Do you think your spouse has or might tell someone about your DD relationship? How would you feel about that? Do you see it as within their authority to do that if they so choose?"

    When I first raised the idea of some type of WLM with DD with my fiance (currently wife), I was concerned that she was at somewhat an "information disadvantage." I also did not want her to feel isolated or possibly constrained from talking to someone about her feelings and decision making -- getting advice -- independent of myself.

    At that time I told my future wife I had no problem with her discussing almost anything we two discussed with her trusted friends (and possibly family members). My having learned by that time about how relatively conservative her mother was, and my wife's strained relationships with her two sisters, I thought it most likely she might with a close friend. I have no idea if my wife ever did consult with any friends or family early on, when our relationship was starting out; I've never asked her.

    Over the years we have socialized with many of her friends and colleagues (and their spouses), and I've never picked up any "vibes" or possible "double entendres" suggesting any of them might be aware of our WLM-DD relationship. Out in public we appear to have a very egalitarian and mutually cooperative relationship. The only obvious clue to our relationship might be I notice that I seem to treat my wife with much more respect than I see many of her friend's husbands treating their wives. (My wife has told me that some of her friends have commented to her about this.) The only other clue might be those very few occasions when my wife has chosen to punish me in public by "awarding" me a "demerit coin" (i.e., "secondary punisher") to express her immediate displeasure, and her intent to follow-up with corporal punishment at a more appropriate time.)

    If one or more of her friends did know details of our WLM-DD relationship, and that friend revealed her knowledge to me, I don't think I would feel embarrassed, probably because little of our relationship and DD involve serious corrections to egregious misbehavior -- it's always been more of a "continuous quality improvement process." Thus, I think I might actually feel somewhat "proud" that I have achieve so much, with my wife's help, and that I have so helped her empower herself and grow away from so many of her early life's very conservative religious / cultural conflicts. I have told her this, and she has likewise told me how much she's appreciated my help in this regard. (And told me of her pride in my determination to grow and be the best possible husband.)

    Because I told my wife, at the very beginning, that I considered it her right to discuss our relationship at her discretion, we've always assumed that was an integral and ongoing part of our relationship agreement. (This has always been somewhat easier, than possibly for other members here, since I have been self-employed for the past thirty (30) years, well before I even met my wife; never any concerns about "blow-back" in terms of career or finances!)

    (Of course, the above is about out interactions with her and my own "vanilla" friends and family. People who are WLM / DD / Kink-aware are a different subject-matter.)

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  15. The subject of having someone else know about our F/m DD has actually been on my mind a lot lately. I seem to think it would normalize that whole side of our relationship (and it is a big part) if some of our loved ones knew that she spanks me for discipline. We are almost a year in, and so far nobody else knows. At this point I am almost anxious (in a positive way) for someone to find out.
    It is something we talked about very early on, on the weekend getaway that we used to set up our DD. Her first thought was her high school best friend, also a dear friend of mine, who would understand her point of view and knows me well enough that she likely wouldn’t blink an eye that I needed my hiney tanned. We have talked about telling her Mother multiple times, and I have no problem with that either. It would likely mean some serious teasing and mildly embarrassing moments, but that’s nothing out of ordinary around my dear MIL. Since my own mother passed several years back, she is the closest thing I have to a Mom so I really do not mind. If my Momma was still living, she would undoubtedly know by now, and Wifey would likely have her full support.
    There are also a few Aunts on my side of the family that I am very close to, and were like second Moms growing up. If either of them knew, I do not know how much they would care, but I would not mind.
    Honestly, I trust Wifey. She has a lot of friends and coworkers, if she chooses to share, I am perfectly okay with them knowing. In fact, the only ones I would definitely not want knowing are my tribal Brothers, that organization works on self improvement in a very different way. I’d rather my Father not find out directly from us.
    Other than that, I don’t care if Wifey is down there gossiping with the other dance Moms about paddling my behind. Haha. I trust her, that’s good enough for me.
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    1. Hi Hillbilly Hubby. Welcome to the group. I think I've seen some of your postings on Tumblr, or at least someone posting under that same name.

      "We are almost a year in, and so far nobody else knows. At this point I am almost anxious (in a positive way) for someone to find out." That sounds a lot like where I was mentally when I decided to tell a mutual friend (began as a school and work colleague of mine, but is now a mutual friend) about our DD, though I think I did it when we had been trying DD for less than a year. And, I approached it a lot less maturely than you did. You've been talking to your wife about possibilities for telling others; I just kind of blurted it out over a couple of happy hour drinks. In fact, at the time I thought Anne might be mad about it, but she took it in stride. Between the two of us though, I seem to be the only one that feels that positive anxiety you refer to about others knowing. It's not a huge deal to me if others don't know, but I definitely do have some desire for it.

      My mother knowing is complicated and my reaction is more visceral than logical. My mother has always been a big supporter of my wife. My grandmother, her mother-in-law had some great qualities but was a huge, interfering pain in the ass when it came to my mother and my aunts who married her boys. She was all about how the wives could support "her boys". It totally turned my mom off, and she has been very careful to always support and respect my wife. Yet, my own relationship with her has always been very complicated, with a lot of water under the bridge but not forgotten. I am very sure that if she knew, she would support my wife taking control like that, yet I don't want her to know about it. As for my mother-in-law, my wife and her have had a bit of a break over the last year. My wife never would have told her anyway, as she's the epitome of the conservative Catholic housewife, but now it's even less likely.

      I dont' really have tribal Brothers per se, but I did have a lot of close male friends at work over the years, and I never would have wanted most of them to know. Since retirement, I've built out a different friends network and, while I don't feel any compelling desire for any of them to know, I don't think they'd reject me for it either.

      Like you I wouldn't mind if my wife gossiped with the other moms about it, but so far she doesn't seem to have any inclination to do it.

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  16. Hey Dan,
    Yep, that’s me. We have commented here on occasion as TE and AE, but are just using our Tumblr tags now. Hers is Strict-consistent-wifey.

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  17. I like the idea of a spanking paddle hanging on the wall. Not in a really open spot that looks like it is being intentionally displayed. Maybe on the landing of the stairs to the basement by the back door on a peg on a coat rack, half obscured by jackets hanging there. Or on the inside of the door of a hall closet. Or in the garage next to the door into the house. Somewhere non-obtrusive where people might catch a glimpse of it, but it isn’t in their face. That way they could choose to discretely ignore it, or if it arouses their curiosity they could ask about it, leading to disclosures.
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  18. We hang ours in the back of the door in the bedroom. The strap paddle and flogger hang there and never get moved. I was thrashed last night for my attitude earlier in the week. We arrived home from dinner and she removed the strap from the door.
    I assumed the usual position. We are leaving w a large group for a weekend getaway. She went to the closet and pulled out a leather belt to bring with us. She told me in so certain terms, if I’m mean, raise my voice, or my attitude needs to be adjusted, she will take a layer off my bottom while there.
    She said she would wait for people to leave the home and whip my bottom. So I better stay in line.
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    1. Doug and T, I like this idea of implements hanging on a wall, but in an unobtrusive place where they might or might not be noticed.

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    2. My wife has her bathbrush hanging in our bathroom rack alongside a pair of black thigh highs and a couple pair of sexy panties . The only thing that gets used off that rack is her bathbrush the others are there to tease me. JJL

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    3. Our strap hangs on the wall beside my side of the bed. It is a constant reminder and gives me a nervous frisson’ every time I walk into the room TB

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    4. JJL, that's a nice visual.

      TB, in our house that definitely would be like telling the grown kids about the DD relationship. When they visit, it's not uncommon for them to follow my wife into our bedroom while they are talking about something.

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  19. I have a related question about public displays of disciplinary power. Would a public threat that your wife would “ground” you be more or less embarrassing than a public spanking threat?. Or what if your wife punished you by not allowing you to join your buddies for some activity, and she demonstrated her power by requiring you to tell your friends that your wife says you “aren’t allowed” to come because she’s angry at you. In my mind, that would be at least as embarrassing as a spanking threat. It might even be more embarrassing because the kink associations of spanking could be interpreted as an erotic game. I would add that the fantasy of my wife showing her power and embarrassing me that way also turns me on. Does anyone else feel that way?
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    1. That is exactly what my wife does to me. She uses both spanking and grounding, but actually relies on grounding slightly more. Whenever I'm grounded and it's during a time I had something planned with friends, she makes me call them and tell them I'm grounded and that she grounded me. All while she watches me make the calls. I begged her when she first made this rule clear to allow me to phrase it differently (Something like “Yeah, my wife's mad at me and I'm sort of in the dog house here. Need to make things right.”), but she refused and said I had to actually say I'm grounded. When I begged her further, she said that either I could call and tell them or she would do it for me and then spank me for disobeying her. After that, there was no more arguing and to this day that's what I have to do when she grounds me. It is more humiliating than the most severe spanking and I'd rather have said spanking any day. That said, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't extremely effective and has me doing everything I can to please and honor her in order to avoid it.

      As far as grounding threats in public, she has also done that in addition to skipping the threat and outright grounding me on the spot. The first time she did that, we were standing in line at Walmart and I had had a horrible attitude all day. After what was probably the hundredth smart ass remark I made that day, she said out loud that I was grounded for a week. Several people turned their heads and I heard snickering and saw a few smirks, too. When I tried to ask her to not be so loud and lighten up, she told me I was getting spanked when we got home in addition to the grounding for talking back. Suffice it to say, I shut up at that point. She is very tough but also a very sweet, caring and supportive woman and I love her with every fiber of my being.

      -TnP (Tad)

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    2. TnP, I feel as though I would have died of embarrassment if I was in your shoes. On the other hand, the thought of it really turn me on at the same time. My wife also grounds me sometimes, but she lets me explain it to other people in a face saving way.
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    3. I've done grounding as a topic here a few times, but it never seems to get much interest. Anne hasn't done it very much, but I do think it could be a powerful tool for real behavior change. As far as embarrassment, in most cases guys probably could mitigate it through something like Tad's proposed, “Yeah, my wife's mad at me and I'm sort of in the dog house here. Need to make things right." They would undoubtedly still be called "pussy whipped" or something along those lines, but most married men probably could sympathize. Of course, Tad's wife cut off that option. Between the two, I think a public announcement of being spanked would be more embarrassing. Again, most men in vanilla relationships have experienced being in the doghouse and needing to stay home to work one's way out of it. A disciplinary spanking would be more outside the norm for most and, I think, more likely to get a lot of twittering attention if it was referred to openly.

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    4. I agree Dan, I would be mortified if my wife ever said I was getting a strapping when we got home. The closest thing that ever happened is my wife mistakenly sent a group text scolding me for not coming home at a certain time that we agreed upon. She had finished a group text the night before and clicked on that instead of just me. I got a lot of ribbing from everyone on the text. One of the girls said to my wife, does a spanking come with that scolding. She didn’t reply because she was so mad. I did take a severe strapping the next day. I would say with tad, his relationship seems more flr. I could never see my wife scolding me in public.
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    5. Texts are plain-old dangerous. There have been so many times that I've tried to send Anne one and misdirected to a family group text or to someone else. So far, it's never been anything bad, but some day I'm going to fuck up and send something explicitly and undeniably about DD.

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    6. I agree that texts are dangerous. My wife has texted spanking threats. She knows I worry about the possibility of a text going astray, but I think she uses texts sometimes because she knows it pushes my buttons. She has sometimes teased me that it would be more amusing than embarrassing for her if a text went astray. I don’t know whether she really means that or is just teasing. A couple of times she sent me texts when she was out with women friends, warning that if I have not completed some chore by the time she gets home she will spank me. The thought has occurred to me that if she bragged to her friends about her power over me, showing them a text exchange like that on her phone could serve as proof. That possibility both embarrasses and arouses me, but I don’t know whether she would actually do that. (I &should say that hasn’t done this recently because her interest in FLR and DD has diminished with age, which makes me think that her FLR was more sexual for her than she let on).
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  20. Of course I’ll keep visiting your blog, Dan. Will support one of the last few of us standing!

    I love this topic of others knowing. It was a mainstay of my husband and my play to gently involve others. We got very good at knowing when to back off and when to push on to avoid offending others. A good 80% of women were more than fine with being involved at some level. As we’ve gotten older and better established, we’ve backed off such play. I think it’s somehow more welcome for a cute frisky young couple. Now we need to act our age, I guess :-(

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