Saturday, March 2, 2024

The Club -- Meeting 468 -- Cultural Influences on Spanking Instruments

“The highest possible stage in moral culture is when we recognize that we ought to control our thoughts.” - Charles Darwin

 

Hello all.  Welcome back to the Disciplinary Couples Club.  Our weekly meeting of men and women who are in, or interested in being in, Domestic Discipline and/or Female Led (FLR) relationships.

 

Once again, before we get started, I would like to extend a specific invitation to any of our female readers, if they still exist, to move from “lurker” to “commenter” status. We miss having you around.

 

I hope you all had a great week.  Mine was OK.  I obviously failed in my goal to post on Friday instead of waiting ‘til the weekend.  I had done some writing in another area earlier in the day and was, honestly, a little burned out.  Though, my enthusiasm was rejuvenated later in the evening as I was re-watching the streaming series Weeds on Hulu and came to this scene from season 4, episode 7. 



Later, you see the main character admiring the lingering hand marks in the mirror. There are a couple of other very explicit spanking scenes in that series. One or more of the writers or showrunners have a spanking thing for sure.

 

We missed our scheduled check-in under our new “performance improvement” system, but we now have committed to doing them weekly, as opposed to my original plan for monthly meetings. I’m still not quite ready to do a full post on it, because we haven’t been operating under it that long.  I will say, however, that Anne seems uncharacteristically enthusiastic and committed to it.  I say “uncharacteristically” not as a dig, but simply in recognition of the fact that we have talked and talked and talked over the years about her really taking over our whole DD process and stepping up the overall level of control and strictness.  In the past, all the talk never gelled into persistent change. This feels . . . different.  

 


I don’t know why, but it may be as simple as she has more time and fewer important distractions than she had pre-retirement.  But, the attitude itself seems different. Maybe it’s like KOJ’s wife dramatically asserting herself once she was no longer concerned about her dominance negatively affecting her career. Or, maybe it’s just the confidence that comes along with age?  Who knows, but I do feel like it’s an interesting transitional period we are going through.

 

 

It was a good discussion last week, though I don’t have much to highlight from it.  I didn’t go back and tally up the responses, but it seems like the group is fairly evenly split between those who would fulfill their fantasies if given the opportunity and those who prefer to keep the fantasy and reality separate. At least with respect to Glenmore’s specific example of a group spanking with multiple spankers and spankees.  There seems to be a similar split on the broader fantasy of witnesses.  I do wonder why that one fantasy is so prevalent, but it clearly is.

 

This week’s topic is going to be pretty succinct, because (a) I’m doing a bunch of other stuff this weekend; and (b) I couldn’t think of a broader topic or a good way to expand this one.

 

It comes from an off-line discussion with Al about some of our instrument preferences, which led to some observations about how prevalent certain instruments were when and where we grew up.

 

It does seem like certain cultures prefer certain instruments, and I’m not sure whether any instrument is ubiquitous across cultures.

 

 

While the ebony hairbrush is, to me, perhaps the most iconic instrument among DD enthusiasts, I don’t think hairbrush spankings were common where I grew up.  I can’t recall knowing about a single instance in which a hairbrush was used for spanking purposes, though of course we were all embarrassed by the spankings we got—even though they were pervasive—and we didn’t go around talking about the details.

 

In the communities I lived in, the almost universally used instruments were paddles and belts. But, while both were ubiquitous, they were used respectively in two very distinct contexts.  

 


At home, the most common instrument by far was the leather belt, wielded with authority by both moms and dads.  However, it usually was dad’s belt that was used, and since it was a cowboy culture, they tended to be thick leather western-style belts or heavy work belts.

 

 

At school, it was the paddle, to the exclusion of every other instrument.  But, as far as I know, paddles were virtually never used at home.  I’m not sure why that bifurcation existed, but it did.  Maybe the absence of paddles for home discipline came down to the fact that most of the men wore belts daily, so there was almost always one readily available, so why invest in a paddle?

 

 

Al and my discussion focused on switches.  They were part of the childhood experience for both him and his wife, but not at all for me.  Perhaps because of the differences in our experiences, switches are still used for adult discipline in his relationship, while I’ve never been switched.  I wonder if this is another example of how geography matters.  I grew up largely in the dry Southwest and sort of the Midwest depending on how you define that. There weren’t a lot of large bushes around, so “Go cut a switch and bring it to me” really would not have worked.

 


Canes seem to me to be a very culturally-dependent instrument of correction.  They are iconic to the English, but are they very prevalent in the US in any non-adult setting, and perhaps, while used for DD, mainly among the BDSM community?

 

 

My impression is that in other parts of the UK, including Ireland and Scotland, straps and tawses are more prevalent than the cane, but I welcome correction by any of our UK commenters.  Given the geographic proximity, I wonder why canes seem to be such an almost exclusively British thing. 

 

I also wonder whether the preference for belts in my early community was because so many of the non-Hispanic population in those areas were of Scotch-Irish descent and the belt was the closest corollary to the strap or tawse?  But, there were also many of British descent, and yet caning was unheard of.

 

 

Although I think that the cultural-based instrument preferences I observed growing up influenced my emotional reaction to certain instruments, they don’t seem to have had much influence on what we actually use. Anne used to use straps a lot, but seldom anymore, and she’s used belts only very rarely. She rarely wears belts, and maybe that's unfortunate. Is there anything as sexy to men wired like us as a woman taking off her belt?

 


Paddles have been more frequently used recently, but not nearly as often as one might expect given how common school paddlings were when we were growing up.  Increasingly, we seem to have settled on the ebony hairbrush and the bath brush, with the latter being by far Anne’s “go-to” instrument, even though neither played any role in our early disciplinary environment. 


I do wish sometimes that canes, while not a part of my upbringing, were part of our adult discipline repertoire.  As time has gone by and having received dozens and dozens of hard spankings, I don't mark or bruise much anymore. And, like the character in Weeds mentioned above, I admit I liked lingering over the marks of Anne's labors, including raised welts from a hard strapping or caning.



How about you?  What were the most common instruments for disciplinary correction where and when you grew up?  Were there certain instruments that were more prevalent in your culture/geographic area?  Do what extent did those early cultural instrument preferences influence your preferences, positively or negatively, as an adult?

 

Have a great week.

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  1. I'm in New Zealand and many of my formative experiences were in the seventies. In primary schools the strap was common, on the hand or backside. In my secondary school it was exclusively the cane. At home I was only hand spanked and not severely.

    The cane is the one that I have a strong relationship with as an adult. I still truly fear it and although I fantasize about being caned, I am very careful to avoid giving my wife reason to use it. i am caned maybe once a year.

    Very like at school though, the ritual is compelling. You voluntarily bend over with both of you knowing that you are about to experience extreme pain, that your bottom is going to be marked with red hot raised welts, and that you will have visible bruising that will make sitting uncomfortable for a week. And then it starts.

    For me, I was not paddled as a child, and although it hurts, I do not have the same pathological fear.

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    1. "You voluntarily bend over with both of you knowing that you are about to experience extreme pain, that your bottom is going to be marked with red hot raised welts, and that you will have visible bruising that will make sitting uncomfortable for a week. And then it starts."

      That is such a true-to-life description of what a real DD session is like. Thanks for it!

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  2. I don't recall the rattan cane as being anything we were aware of in the 1960s/70s urban US, but US schools were equipped with blackboards from a very early time and at least in urban school districts every had a pointer - being a long thin wooden rod with a rubber tip, most likely made of hickory or maple. In the days when corporal punishment was allowed I expect that pointer filled the role of the cane in British schools.

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  3. Not much influence from any foreign countries as our family had deep roots in the United States. Like many of my era, we were spanked for discipline at home. Mostly with bare hand, but for serious offenses, my Dad would use his belt. At school, like many others my age, the wood paddle was the most common implement. I received my share or more of school paddling. Now as an adult, I can't say the implements we use were influenced by my youth, but more by my foray into the BDSM world for awhile. We have all the implements and use most. Paddle, belt, floggers, strap, crops, hair brushes etc.

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    1. "Not much influence from any foreign countries as our family had deep roots in the United States." Same here, though I think regional cultural differences last much longer than some assume. I recently read a fascinating book--American Nations by Collin Woodard--on how the cultural and political bents of the particular groups that settled the various regions in the United States still has a huge impact today, 400 years later.

      I should have included the "bare hand" as an instrument. For younger kids, that certainly was the "instrument" of choice in my area growing up.

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    2. Dan, I believe that there was paediatric advice that children should only ever be spanked with the bare hand. Even today, in communities where spanking is still considered an acceptable form of discipline for children, some people believe that using anything other than the hand crosses the line between discipline and abuse.
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  4. Schools used paddles extensively where I grew up. My spankings at home were mostly by hand, but I did get switched a few times, and that was next level pain for sure.

    These days we have an extensive bag of implements, some dedicated spanking implements and some repurposed household goods. The Frat paddle is always well swung, the Junior Sizzler always makes an impression but the Bed Bath & Beyond Bath Brush is something else.

    Both the paddle and the switch resonate to this day undoubtedly because of their introduction at an impressionable age.
    3pops

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    1. I wonder whether any of those Bed Bath & Beyond and The Body Shop brushes have ever been used for anything but spanking. ;-)

      I don't think I've ever heard of a Junior Sizzler.

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    2. lol, probably not on the brushes. They don’t have a fully flat back which gives them just a bit more umph. And I may have the name wrong on the paddle. It was one of Caneiac’s about 14” with holes, they came in Sr. & Jr sizes. The Jr would be perfect for OTK, not that we do that, but they are also perfect for rapid fire sets.
      3pops

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  5. In the back channel conversation that Dan and I had that led up to the discussion of "spanking cultures" (really how children used to be- and sometimes undoubtedly still are - spanked - and how that varied by geographic area and the attendant culture), I mentioned that my wife sometimes switched me when she had the need to spank me but also needed to do so quietly because there were others in the house - because a switch across a bare bottom, thighs, and legs is obviously much quieter than a paddle or strap across the bottom. Although, the switched husband will have to make a concerted effort not to be heard yelping and swearing.

    As I related to Dan:
    "I got "switched" (with the DWC mini-cane) last night. We had family spending the night - and my "smart mouth" got me in trouble - so she took me back in the bedroom for a (silent) sound switching before our company even went upstairs to retire for the evening. My ass is still stinging this morning. And - when she does this and we return to the company, I always feel like everyone knows that I just got spanked - even though I know that they don't - somewhat unnerving sometimes."

    This led to some discussion of caning - whereupon I explained that we used the DWC mini-cane (that we bought from the DWC 20 or so years ago) as a type of "durable, permanent" switch:

    "As far as the "cane" goes, the DWC mini-cane is technically a cane and it does leave cane marks" on my behind. However, it is short ("mini" - I believe the idea was that it would be an appropriate cane for otk) and very flexible - "whippy" - the rod is made of plastic, perhaps 18 inches long - so we never really thought of it as a cane per se - but more as a "permanent/durable switch". My wife had me order it because all the real switches (that she sent me out to cut) kept breaking. Other than the mini-cane, the idea of caning has never greatly appealed to either of us - has too much bdsm flavor to it (and not enough DD), I think"

    And how we both strongly related switching to DD because we were both switched regularly as kids:

    "My wife and I were both switched regularly as children so we both understood what a powerful symbol of DD it was for both of us. And a switching was the perfect solution when a "quiet spanking" was called for - when the kids were home or when company was over - so getting switched with others down the hall (most often the kids, but sometimes friends and family) began fairly early on in our DWC life. But even after having been switched with others down the hall many times over the years, I still always have the sensation that everyone in the house knows that my wife just blistered my behind when we exit the bedroom."

    Which led to the discussion of "spanking cultures":

    "Yes - it does seem there were different "spanking cultures" geographically. I had one real life friend who grew up in Minnesota who really was regularly put over her mom's lap for bare bottom hair brush spankings - and said her friends were also. In the Deep South, it was paddles at school, and belts and switches at home. Occasionally, my Mom would grab whatever was handy and give me a few swats on the bottom - wooden spoon, fly swatter - but it was always over my pants, never bare bottom or even underwear. But we often had shorts on, so the belt and the switch were often striking bare legs - and those switches really were terrifying on bare skin. When I wrote about the switch being used on David for "extra punishment" in "Even More" - it came from those childhood experiences getting my bare legs switched."

    And, on occasion, my wife still sends me out to cut her a "real switch" when she wants to make a point. (My instructions is actually to bring back two switches - in the event she should break one on me - and that has happened a number of times).

    Oh - and has anyone else been switched or caned to avoid the noise of a strap or paddle when others might overhear?

    --al


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    1. Thanks, Al. Just fyi, the reason I didn't use more of our back channel conversation is I'm generally unsure how comfortable people are with me passing along such conversations and using them extensively in posts. Thanks for laying out more of the actual conversation.

      I wonder whether relative silence is one reason canes and switches are *not* as widely used as paddles and straps. I think there is something about the solid "thwack" sound of a paddle or strap that serves to emphasize that a serious session is in progress. With guests around, that's to be avoided but in private sessions it probably adds to the whole experience. I think my wife secretly likes the sound of the bath brush whacking me and my resulting exclamations.

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    2. Dan, I fully appreciate you not quoting our back channel conversation - and, likewise, why I only quoted "my half" of the conversation - which was fairly "non-personal" - other than my report of getting spanked, but that's nothing out of the ordinary for most of us here.

      And - while my wife uses the switch when silence is required, and occasionally otherwise, she readily confesses that loves the sound of the strap and paddle on my bare rear! --al

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    3. Totally agree. I wouldn't have had any problem with you quoting my portion. Just wanted to explain how and why I sometimes use email conversations as a launching point for a post but I usually don't quote from them very much. I also sometimes will refer to an email but won't disclose who it was from.

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    4. Before the kids left home, I was occasionally caned because it was quieter. I have to confess that I recall being concerned about whether it was "quiet enough", and then there is the obvious struggle to not make any noise!

      In terms of the actual noise, I do like the sound that the cane makes to. I am able to appreciate the sound that the first stroke makes through the air and impacting my bottom. The pain arrives milliseconds after the sound is finished. I personally don't find this with other implements, maybe because they don't make any noise enroute?

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    5. "The pain arrives milliseconds after the sound is finished." I don't have a lot of experience with the cane, but what little I do have is consistent with that. The cane does seem to have more of a "slow burn" effect than most other instruments. I also feel like, while a hard paddling or bath brushing may hurt more as it is happening, the pain from the cane seems to last a lot longer after the session is over.

      But, again, it's an instrument I don't have a whole lot of experience with, so my perspective is pretty limited.

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    6. Al,
      My wife and I were watching tv sometime back and I made a dumb remark. She responded, do you want to go cut a switch? I’ve never been switched before and it was actually shocking because I never heard her say it. I do remember visiting her family in VA. We were decorating for a function and her friend picked up a rod used for decorating some flowers. She made an off color comment about her husband needing it but good. My wife responded so does mine. I know I blushed and turned red. I’m not sure they practiced DD but she was on the heavier side and a teacher. Her husband was on the scrawny side and I wouldn’t be surprised if she gave him some serious spankings. He seemed to toe the line at the reception. I had multiple cocktails and he said I stick with a limit of two. Switching’s are definitely a southern thing.
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    7. T - did she make you got cut the switch? :) --al

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    8. Al,
      No I immediately changed my toon. I realized how bad the cane hurts and I didn’t want to experience a switching. The closest I came to one, was when I visited a disciplinarian for the cane. I admire those who could take a serious caning. I had a hard time and I only received around a dozen. That was after the rest of what was given to me. She hasn’t brought it up since. Maybe it had to do with the visit to VA and the comment from her sisters friend.
      T

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    9. T -"Immediately changed my tune" - wise decision. :)

      Isn't it interesting how our DWC wives can get our attention so quickly with just a phrase or even a certain look? --al

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    10. Al: “And, on occasion, my wife still sends me out to cut her a "real switch" when she wants to make a point. (My instructions is actually to bring back two switches - in the event she should break one on me - and that has happened a number of times).”

      I have never been spanked with a switch, but for some reason I find the idea of being sent outside to cut a switch to be really hot. GH

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  6. And, I will just add that while my wife switches me when there is a need for a quiet spanking (and sometimes just because), she most often uses a combination of strap and bath brush when she spanks me, although we do have a sizable assortment of various paddles and such that will use on occasion.

    However, like many others, I do consider the hairbrush to be the iconic standard of maternal style DD (DWC-style) spanking. My wife does use a hairbrush on me on occasion, and keeps one in the console of the car at all times as well so that I can be quickly spanked if needed while we are traveling. However, despite the hairbrush's legendary status, a bath brush is actually an even more effective spanking tool - that can still be left in plain view. --al

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    1. Since I bought our ebony brush, it's been a part of most spankings. But, I think she increasingly realizes its effect pales in comparison to her bath brush.

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    2. "My wife does use a hairbrush on me on occasion, and keeps one in the console of the car at all times as well so that I can be quickly spanked if needed while we are traveling." Something about that seems to really speak to your wife's commitment to keeping you in line.

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    3. Actually, I am also required to keep a brush in my car as well - "just in case". It's a cheap wooden square headed paddle that I bought at Walgreens just for that purpose (after I was told to put a brush in both cars). It stays in a utility box in my trunk - and thankfully has only been used on my bottom on the day that I bought (my wife wanted to try it out - with the results one would expect from a wooden implement). But - we do most of our travel together in her car - and the brush in her car has been used for its intended purpose on several occasions over the years. --al

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  7. "The slipper", usually meaning black plimsolls, was what was used in North of England schools in the late 60's, early 70's. The cane was the school implement we all dreaded but not ever seen used in my case.

    When I was inclined to spanker me and Mrs GL purchased a "junior" cane, not really any good quality and it only got light use. 20 years on and their is a junior straight handed cane in her wardrobe she is yet to use other than on my Birthday (which comes soon). From a UK cultural perspective canes should be crooked handled but straight handed seem easier for the uninitiated to use.

    As a spankee I have gravitated in my head towards the hairbrush and especially the ebony type mentioned by Dan. I have been lucky to have had a few disciplinarians use such an item. Personally I think hairbrushes are one of the implements that don't screen "USA" or "UK" specific. I also like a tawse over the belt and do like a carpet beater. I think us brits tend to gravitate towards home and school punishment items. Don't like and don't ever ask for the paddle, just doesn't work for me. Tend also to gravitate away from rubber items but did find a birthday spanking with a rubber spatula exciting a few years ago. Bath-brushes I have very little history with but assume they are best applied to wet bottoms?

    All in all my cultural influences mean that whilst I don't seek being caned if I choose a pro who specialises in them I can't expect to avoid it. My perfect season would be hand, hairbrush and then either carpet-beater, tawse or cane before being finished with more hand-spanking. However it depends on the pro's personality sometimes. Have had fun with a strap from people born both sides of the pond.

    I also suggest that role-play very much dictates implements use and therefore it is the cultural mindset you choose that matters. If I choose English school I expect the slipper and/or the cane, American step-mum is going to get me the hairbrush and strap. Auntie role-play can lead anywhere. It's all fun to me. Cheers GLM

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    1. I've never quite understood the purpose of the crooked handle.

      I can understand how slippers could be a good way to augment a hand spanking for younger recipients. I've never bought their usefulness for real DD spankings. Way too flimsy, kind of like those crappy leather ping-pong style paddles sold at some adult "novelty" shops. Probably great for BDSM scenes but not remotely stiff enough for delivering a real punishment session.

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    2. Dan,
      The crooked handle, I would assume, was for hanging on the wall of the classroom or in a cupboard. Before ours broke, we would hang it inside the closet by the crooked handle on the wall. It was thin and whippy and packed a serious sting and some welts. We just never got around to replacing it and it was not a fav of my wife’s.
      T

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    3. T, that's probably right. The cane isn't a favorite of my wife either.

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  8. Oh and I forgot to mention, the girl holding the hairbrush in the article I have had the pleasure of (both sides) and she is one of the nicest, sweetest practitioners you could find over here. Cheers GLM

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    1. I very recently came across that picture and had no idea who it was. Thanks for sharing.

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    2. Moogle. Google Moogle Milkx. Cheers GLM.

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  9. I was never spanked as a kid but I do think the “norm” was a belt at home or paddle at school. What is very interesting to me is both the belt and school type paddles are a hard no for me. I am a household pervertible fan - solid hairbrush, wooden spoon, bathbrush etc.

    Since I was never spanked, and have a lifelong craving for spankings - I am perplexed about the desired implement question - or more specifically the hard no implements.

    AG

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    1. That is interesting that you have such a hard "no" about implements you never personally experienced. But, I do get the attraction to household pervertibles. Almost by definition, they emphasize the "domestic" in domestic discipline.

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  10. Now, I must say, if it was the woman pictured above walking uo the stairs dressed like that with belt in hand - maybe I make an exception 😃

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    1. Yeah, I don't know why but I really have a thing for pics of fully-clothed women walking up stairs with an instrument in hand. Again, it's probably because it's so thoroughly "domestic."

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    2. Agreed - I've always founds the "woman going up the stairs with paddle in hand" to be especially suggestive of DD. --al

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    3. Same here! GH

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  11. GLM wrote: >"Bath-brushes I have very little history with but assume they are best applied to wet bottoms?"<

    A bath brush is essentially an extra large hairbrush with a larger head and a longer handle. The larger head allows for more coverage of the rear with each swat, and the longer handle provides for greater leverage so that the same swat will be harder with same effort - making them an even more effective spanking implement than the iconic hair brush. --al

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    1. That longer handle makes such a HUGE difference in the relative impact and pain level. I do think some spankers can deliver a very hard spanking with a hairbrush, but it takes a very heavy brush, a very long swing, and way more effort on the part of the spanker.

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    2. The "physics of spanking" - And this comment below was also the first time I've ever heard anyone say that a bath brush was not "effective". :)

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  12. My wife started with her hairbrush but it was not the correct one and not very effective. So we went to the bath brush much more effective but still not enough to be a real memorable spanking. I bought her a Jokari paddle on ebay and the first time she used it I was a very sorry husband. It's now her only instrument. To me it's maximum sting leaves me whimpering and begging for it to stop after the third swat. She has been using it ever since. I'm actually afraid of it.
    Ward

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    1. You may be the first person I've ever heard say the bath brush was ineffective. I hate the thing.

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    2. I went on a "quest" for my wife a few months ago, questing after a "bath brush" after she had read so many comments as to how effective they were (minimal effort + maximum leverage + smaller surface area = maximal attention!).

      I did a wide-ranging search on the internet (in general) and Amazon (specifically), and was very surprised by the overall poor quality of offerings. Thus, I'm not surprised that some wives (and husbands) are often "less than impressed" with results from some brushes.

      Eventually, after looking at upwards of +100 listings on Amazon (and way too many advts), I found one manufacturer that seemed to best match our needs -- High quality "beachwood," reasonably good pricing ($32-36), good thickness of head (16-18 mm; 5/8 - 3/4"): "Redecker" (from Germany).

      My wife had me buy two different brushes, one 19.5" long and the other 14.2":

      https://www.amazon.com/Redecker-Tampico-Beechwood-Handle-8-Inches/dp/B003JC1ZNM/
      https://www.amazon.com/Redecker-Germany-Bristle-Beechwood-5-Inches/dp/B0BZPWK9MT/

      I can personally attest that, with my wife using "from the shoulder" swings, both of these are very effective and getting my attention. (Very different and deeper feel from her rubber straps and delrin canes.)

      (If you want something really high quality, with both exceptional "head thickness/density" and "handle leverage," and can spend the money ($85-100) you might consider some of the long-arm/smaller-head brushes from "Lejdi" (Poland?).)

      I won't accept any complaints from husbands who steer their wives to any of these "implements."

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    3. When first shopping for brushes, I found a bath brush at a Body Shop store in our local mall. They are relatively inexpensive, sturdy and heavy. But, my wife wasn't wild about them because the head was somewhat rough and tended to scour my ass a bit, resulting in some spotting of blood. Personally, I think it's more effective when the skin gets somewhat abraded, because it guarantees I will feel the after-effects every time I sit for several days. But, a couple of years ago she bought one with a smoother finish. It's the one and only instrument she's bought over our 20 years of DD.

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  13. I'm from Poland. As a child I remember that most children were spanked by belt - usually a heavy miliary leather belt. However I also recall some of my friends whe were spanked by mothers were receiving spankings with very thin female leather belts.
    Additionally cords were also popular implements for serious offences.
    There was also a tradition of Santa binging a birch or switch to naughty children. It could be instead of presents or as additional thing.
    This in funny thing because 2 years ago by wife beinh in kinky mood has decided to give me a switch for this occasion. Since all family was there you can imagine how embarrased I was opening my present and then listening to remarks that on tomorrow breakfest it may be difficult to sit!

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    1. "There was also a tradition of Santa binging a birch or switch to naughty children. It could be instead of presents or as additional thing."

      Was that part of the Krampus traditions? I wasn't aware of them until a couple of years ago when a friend referred me to a book with Krampus stories. I've since seen a YouTube travel video that featured a Christmas festival that included a parade of people in Krampus costumes, and they were going around swatting the behinds of festival attendees. It was pretty funny stuff.

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    2. Santa bringing a "bag of switches" was a common saying where I grew up. --al

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    3. Al, interesting. That's definitely a new one on me.

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    4. I was referring to "bag of switches" from Sabta, not Krampas

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  14. I went to a Catholic School growing up. The use of a ruler was a daily occurrence. If sent to the Principals office a paddle was used. The Nuns handled everything on the spot. I turned out fine. I don’t drink , smoke , do drugs and never been arrested. All because of that upbringing. Dev has a few wooden hair brushes she’s uses but her primary go to is her 12” mahogany Spenser paddle.

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    1. I was didn't attend a Catholic school, so perhaps that's the reason I do drink, used to smoke, have done more than a few drugs, and the fact that I've never been arrested is a matter of good luck and fast talking more than good behavior.

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    2. Ha! I did go to a catholic school (Irish Christian Brothers) and have enjoyed rebelling against any authority most of my life and living as close to the edge as possible…! Their ‘go to’ was the leather strap on the hands used daily, in class individually & en-masse for almost any reason. Private punishments were more usually either more severe versions of hand strappings or over the knee, the latter more embarrassing but much less painful. I have always been & remain 100% anti corporal punishment of children based on my experiences. DD between consenting adults however I see as healthy, helpful & positive.

      Culturally the strap is so ingrained in my mind both symbolically & in practice that we have a London Tanners version hanging by my bedside as a constant reminder of our agreed boundaries. TB

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    3. "Private punishments were more usually either more severe versions of hand strappings or over the knee,"

      Funny, I don't think I've ever once associated OTK with school spankings.

      I'm not nearly as anti-corporal punishment in schools (or home) as some here, but I might feel differently if my personal experiences had been more voluminous. Of course, I also think one reason I behaved to at least some extent was because I dreaded the prospect of a trip to the principal's office. Which is kind of the whole point . . . . I wonder if part of the difference is the extent to which CP is used for the most minor of offenses, to the point that you're getting punished regardless of really deserving it. I can see how that might foster a kind of learned helplessness that would make the whole thing both pointless and cruel, which kind of seems like what you are describing,

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    4. "Culturally the strap is so ingrained in my mind both symbolically & in practice that we have a London Tanners version hanging by my bedside as a constant reminder of our agreed boundaries."

      Absolutely the best source of quality leather implements out there. Pricey, but really great stuff.

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    5. Our first strap is from London Tanners. It’s folded over and has been used a lot in me. My wife still prefers the leather paddle lately. I think it’s just easier for her to use. You are correct, they make great quality implements.
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  15. Growing up, my Mother, being Italian, favored the heavy wooden spoon. They were well constructed but still eventually broke over my bare bottom. She used to say, don’t you a worry, I have another. She then moved onto the strap. She had a thick leather belt that she used. Then on a vacation to Amish country, she purchased a wooden heat for the seat paddle. These can be found online as vintage. The one she had seemed thicker. That paddle would sting on the bare. She used this for years till it eventually broke. She went back to the strap. The school used a well worn out paddle that obviously was bigger than the home paddle. This stung and we had a maximum of six swats per session. By the way, in all of the spankings I’ve witnessed and received, never had a hairbrush been used. We have a Vermont one that my wife uses once in a while, but it’s her least favorite. We have a junior cane that broke and we haven’t replaced it yet. Her favorite instrument is a heavy leather paddle that is light and she can punish quickly and more efficiently than the belt. This has become her go to and when used on the back of thighs is unbearable. I learn a lesson quickly.
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    1. I've thought a few times about doing a topic about whether the group's respective spankings include thighs. I've never personally experienced it, but I have no dobut it would be, as you said, unbearable.

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    2. My wife has never intentionally swatted my thighs with a wooden implement, although an occasional swat have been off target enough to hit my upper thighs. However, with the strap and especially with the switch, she intentionally includes my thighs in the spanking. Quite painful indeed. --al

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    3. Years ago I wrote a spanking story at a now extinct website. In it I imagined a spanking that moved from the buttocks to the thighs. A woman who worked as a professional disciplinarian in real life told me that spanking, caning, etc., especially if harsh, should be limited to the buttocks. She said that striking less fleshy parts of the body, such as the thighs, entails a risk of permanent damage to blood vessels. I don’t know whether her claim is backed up by medical expertise, but I consider her advice to be somewhat authoritative, based on her experience of BDSM and spanking as a professional.
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  16. >"Hard No" as to spanking implements.< This seems to go to the conversation of consensual non-consent that we've often had here. That is - since in reality any of us can technically refuse a spanking, in the DWC-style F/M DD lifestyle we give consent to our wives to spank us without our "immediate consent" (although it is always implicit) - so we don't refuse a spanking any more than a young child can refuse a spanking from his parent.

    Which begs the question - can we choose which implement that our wives are allowed to spank us with? Does a child get to say no to a switching on his bare behind and say they will only accept a hand spanking over their jeans? Should the husband get to decide which implements his wife will choose to use on him bottom? We would probably generally agree that it is the wife's say as to what she will spank our behinds with. Although, in reality - in the "consensual non-consent' - we, as a couple, would probably have agreed on certain parameters as to spanking implements ahead of a time as part of the "contract for consensual non-consent". For example, my wife and I both agreed very early on that caning was not the type of discipline that either of us wanted (other than the short plastic mini-cane, which we see as a "permanent switch"), Other thoughts? --al

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    1. Al,
      I gave my wife consent to use whatever she would like to use on me. As stated above, she has her favorites. She likes the sound of leather on my bottom and the crack it makes. She uses a wooden paddle at times. We bought in Vermont from a woodwork store. The crooked cane, which broke she never mastered or got into it so to speak. Although when she applied it properly, I dreaded it. The problem is the strokes would be all over the place. It’s funny, I’ve never received a hand spanking in my life. As far back as I could remember, as a child, it started with the spoon.
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    2. So, the only implements that have really been something of a "hard no" for me were rubber straps, but only after trying them several times. I never actually said "no" to them. Instead, I just threw them away. But, in reality, I think Anne had as big a problem as I did with them, as they had a tendency to break the skin, and she was very skittish about that. So, while I didn't ask permission to throw them away or ask her to stop using them, I had reason to believe we were on the same page.

      Something I have thought about proposing as part of our "check-in" process is that if I am fessing up to something that had no real impact on her and that she doesn't really care about, I should be able to choose--or at least suggest--the implement used but only from among two or three that we both agree are effective. But, I haven't done so, in part because for me the whole dynamic centers a lot on being taken out of control, so it's almost counterproductive for me to have anything to do with choosing the where, when and how.

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    3. "It’s funny, I’ve never received a hand spanking in my life."

      For all practical purposes that's true for me as well. I assume that as a young kid, I did receive swats with a bare hand, but I have no memory of it at all. And, as an adult I've never received one.

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    4. My experience is the same. I'm sure that I got a few hand swats as a toddler but I do not remember them either. As an adult, my wife has given me a few playful swats (some of them hard enough to cause some real sting) - but never a real spanking. I think her attitude would be "Why waste our time on a hand spanking when an implement will make it so much more effective..." (and, of course, save her hand from getting sore).

      I wonder how many DWC wives would "bother with just a hand spanking?"
      --al

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  17. Where I grew up in Canada in the 60’s , corporal punishment was still common in schools, but the standard method was hand strapping, not spanking. Therefore, unlike kids in the USA, I had no familiarity with school paddles. I did, however, witness a couple of women teachers give spankings with their hands in primary school.

    I think it was common for parents to use just their hands for spanking. I have a spanko friend who tells me that his parents only ever used their hands to spank. I can remember being spanked by my mother that way when I was little. I have an early memory of being taken over my mother’s knee and spanked with her hand when we were away from home, so maybe she did that when nothing else was at hand. But most of the time, my mother spanked with a large wooden spoon. She used to threaten use a belt sometimes, and I remember she would crack the belt as a warning. Usually, the warning was enough to settle us down. When my mother asked my father to discipline us we were in serious trouble, and he would take off whatever belt he was wearing for the purpose.

    Like Dan, I wasn’t familiar with hairbrushes for spankings. My parents never had a spanking paddle either, but the mother of the three girls who lived next to us kept a spanking paddle on a hook on her kitchen wall, and I saw her put it to use once. I have a thing for paddles because I was fascinated as a kid with the idea of an object which, unlike a wooden spoon or a belt, existed for the sole purpose of spanking.

    My paternal grandfather had a razor strop—we called it a “strap”—hanging on a hook in the stairwell of their farmhouse. I knew it was for spankings because my grandfather threatened on occasion to use it. In fact, I thought that razor straps, like paddles, existed for the sole purpose of spanking. (Come to think of it, the razor strap resembled the kind of strap that was used for hand strapping in schools). My grandfather never actually used it on me, but I know a couple of my cousins got it. I didn’t know it at the time, but apparently I was safe because my mother forbade him from laying a finger on any of her children. I was aware that my father and his siblings had been spanked with that razor strap when they were growing up. I was also aware that one of my aunts continued that tradition: she kept a razor strap hanging in the woodshed, and I knew from my cousins that she used it on them. Although I never experienced the razor strap myself, it has an almost mythic status for me because of that childhood fear and fascination.

    I had no childhood awareness of caning, and perhaps for that reason I have no interest in canes. I almost feel as though caning is a separate kink from spanking.
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    1. "I had no childhood awareness of caning, and perhaps for that reason I have no interest in canes. I almost feel as though caning is a separate kink from spanking."

      In the discussion I had with Al, he observed that to him the cane has a BDSM-like vibe. I don't personally get that from it, but I understand how it could resonate that way for some.

      Clearly I should have had wooden spoons in my post, as they seem to have been a thing for several commenters.

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    2. My wife keeps a fairly heavy duty wooden spoon in the kitchen utensils drawer so the can quickly grab it and bend me over the table if she decides that I need an "on the spot" spanking while in the kitchen area. It has been used numerous times over the years. --al

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    3. On wooden spoons: After my mother passed away, I was cleaning out her apartment together with some of my siblings. We were emptying the kitchen when one of my sisters held up a large wooden spoon and said to me and my brother, “This must bring back memories to you guys.” We all laughed, but I think I might have blushed a bit too. There ensued a short discussion about spanking when we were kids. To my surprise, I learned that my 2 younger sisters never got spanked. I didn’t have any memories of them getting spanked, but I had always assumed that since my parents spanked my brother and me, and my older sister a couple of times that I remembered, they must have spanked my younger sisters too. I figured that either I had forgotten about incidents when they got spanked or that my parents did it more discreetly with the girls. But both of my younger sisters claimed that they never got spanked. However, they remembered witnessing my brother and me being spanked, with the wooden spoon by my mother or the belt by my father. Anyway, when nobody was looking, I slipped that wooden spoon into the box of stuff I was taking for myself. I doubt that it’s the actual wooden spoon my mother used for spanking when I was a kid. That was such a long time ago. But it is definitely like the ones she used. I have never suggested to my wife that she use it because I worry she might think that would be a little too Oedipal.
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  18. I was brought up in the UK where the cane and slipper were used frequently.
    The cane was usually on the hands and boys got the slipper on the backside.
    I received a hard slippering from a female teacher that I still reflect on.
    Interestingly , these implements have never featured in out DD.
    At home when I was a kid , spankings were unheard of and you were more likely to get a kick in the ass or a clip around the ear if you messed up.

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    1. I've heard of using the tawse on hands but hadn't heard that the cane was used that way.

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  19. I have beeb trying to get my wife of 30 years to discipline me for 30 years without much luck. On occassion, she will indulge me and put me over her knee for a spanking. To say those rare moments are beyond incredible is a huge understatment. So for me most of this is fantasy.

    I have tried for years to find a solid wooden "paddle" brush, wiitout any luck. The shape of those brushes just make my head spin. My wife have several of the plastic ones and while they jusy don't pack a real sting.

    I bought my wife years ago the body shop bath brush. if we were in a discipline type relationship, I think that is all we would need. OMG, that thing can make a point. It can easily reduced the toughtesy adult male to a very very sorry "young man". I have never gotten a spanking I didn't want, but if I ever do I assume it will be with that brush.

    That all being said, growing up (in the northeast) the most common spanking implements that I remeber were small paddles, wooden spoons, wooden rules or the belt (by far the most common). I never heard of a switch, cane, hairbrush or slipper until I started reading spanking stories

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    1. "I have tried for years to find a solid wooden "paddle" brush, wiitout any luck. The shape of those brushes just make my head spin."

      I tried for a long time to find one in beauty and stores, salons, etc. Finally bought a used one on eBay. In addition to the quality, I like wondering whether I might not be the first person who it has been used on for non-hair brushing purposes. I have a few paddles and straps that I got from the DWC's "Jerry," Aunt Kay's husband. I *know* those have been used on others, and it adds to their allure.

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    2. I always look at the hairbrush displays when I am in a pharmacy, since my spanking fetish is stimulated by potential spanking implements. I have noticed that most displays include large rectangular shaped brushes with flat wooden backs that would be appropriate for spanking, and they are actually labeled as “paddle brushes.” I guess the word “paddle” is just meant to describe the shape, but I sometimes wonder whether the companies that manufacture paddle brushes are consciously producing brushes that can serve as spanking paddles.
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    3. GH wrote >"I have noticed that most displays include large rectangular shaped brushes with flat wooden backs that would be appropriate for spanking, and they are actually labeled as “paddle brushes."<

      As I mentioned further up in the comments, this is the brush that I bought from a Walgreens to keep in the trunk of my car in case my wife should ever need to use it while we are out in my car (and they are not expensive). She instructed me many years ago to place a brush in both the vehicles. The brush in her car is more of a typical woman's hairbrush and stays in the console. --al

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  20. We have tried numerous implements, but now she regulary only uses 2 paddles, OTK. Both are wood, and very effective in delivering a stinging spanking that doesn't leave marks. There are no particular cultural influences to comment on. There is a paddle hanging on the wall in the bedroom as a reminder. Recently the house cleaner came over, and I forgot to take it down, so she must know we are into spanking. There has been no mention from her about it so far.

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  21. IN PRAISE OF HAND SPANKING

    While discussing implements, I hope we don’t entirely forget hand spanking. Men usually relegate it to “play” spanking, dismissing it as a severe disciplinary tool. But I think hand spanking, artfully applied, can make up for the psychological impact ---that it lacks in physical power.

    But first, I point out that there are at least a few women who have claimed that they can bring a man to tears with a hand spanking alone –if they have enough time (the time intervals I have seen mentioned were in the 45 minutes to an hour range, were always OTK and included (apparently) some world-class scolding. I can’t confirm this from any personal experience, but on the other hand, we have never tried it. And, I do know that crying for me, in the beginning, was tied to the irrational idea that she would never stop. I surrendered to it, and the tears came. I don’t find it impossible to believe that a skilled disciplinarian using laser-focused scolding -- and in a DD relationship-- could bring a man to tears just with her hand -mainly if she had produced tears earlier using a paddle, cane, or strap.

    I have not myself experienced this ((yet), but neither has my wife ever set out to produce tears with just her hand. She has, however, used her hand to produce some very powerful psychological effects in me, which we discovered during routine discipline. The simplest probably is just the swat to the seat of the pants, delivered as I walk by her or occasionally as we walk together. This must be some universal gesture, as I have seen women do it many times. But to me, it is usually a loud and clear message: I own your ass, and if you continue doing what you are doing, you will regret it.

    But for us, the most effective use of her hand is during actual discipline, preceding the spanking, during, or after it. Just placing her hand firmly on my bum as she begins the lecture or even earlier as she takes control can be jolting to me, possibly because it is still a little startling and usually preceded by us in our everyday roles. The message I get from her doing that is “I am taking control NOW” and “I expect obedience NOW.”

    Whether she starts with a “tush push” or not, using her hand to punctuate her words of scolding while I am standing in front of her, bare-assed, is simply powerful and can put me in a zone in which I become laser-focused on her and what is happening. Nothing else exists. The smacks, of course, even on a bare bum, don’t hurt, but they send a message that this is real and she is serious. I almost feel paralyzed, and any resistance or defiance has vanished.

    A third way she has used her hand and related to the scolding is to put me in the corner in the middle of a spanking, then come over and spank me while I had to hold position, and she resumed the scolding, again punctuating her words with firm smacks. This use of her hand is the most punishing as my bum is usually quite sore already, and she spanks much harder and longer when in the corner.

    Because the hand is personal, it can also be intimate, and hordes of studies have concluded that the power of human touch is enormous. No hand will ever compete with a wood paddle or leather strap if the objective is to deliver maximum punishment in minimal time. But the hand gets the applause if the objective is to deliver the most effective discipline, the hand gets the applause.
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    1. Alan,
      I would applaud a women who could bring a man to tears with a hand spanking. I doubt that would happen with most guys. I would think after a half hour of a hand spanking, your bottom would become immune to it. I guess if you were in the right head space and the scolding was so intense, then maybe but I know my wife would never be able to hand spank me for 5 minutes, never mind 45. I think her hand would be worn out before my bottom lol.
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    2. T, I think it is possible to give a pretty effective spanking with the bare hand if the spanker doesn’t mind getting a sore hand. The thing is that the palm of hand tends to be tougher than the bottom, so the spankee is likely to feel more pain than the spanker. I had a correspondence with a woman who used to work as a professional disciplinarian. She told me that she could give a long, painful hand spanking. But then, she had a very high tolerance for pain herself because she also liked to be on the receiving end of what she called “a thrashing”, so she probably didn’t mind any pain resulting from giving a spanking. I have given a couple of spankings myself. In one instance I used my hand, followed by a hairbrush. In the other instance, I used only my hand. From my limited experience, I believe I could spank as long and hard as necessary with my hand because the palm of the hand becomes desensitized after a while. If my wife and I reversed roles, so that I became the disciplinarian, I would definitely give precedence to hand spanking because, as Alan pointed out, there is a special intimacy in the contact between a bare hand and a bare bottom.
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    3. Alan, I really like your little essay “In Praise of Hand Spanking.” I agree with you that it is the most intimate form of spanking, for both the spanker and the spankee, because of the direct physical contact. I suspect that in jurisdictions where school spanking is practiced, paddles are generally used not just to make the punishment hurt more, but to reduce the physical intimacy.

      My wife has never given me a sustained hand spanking, but like your wife she does occasionally smack the seat of my pants with her hand, either as a warning or to give emphasis to a mini scolding. She even does that in public places sometimes. I interpret that the same way you do: it is to show that she is the boss, and she expects me to do as I’m told.
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  22. Nice article, Alan. I related to this quite well (as we've discussed before):
    >"And, I do know that crying for me, in the beginning, was tied to the irrational idea that she would never stop. I surrendered to it, and the tears came."<
    Yes - those spankings that never stop (hard enough to be genuinely painful - but not so intense as to be unbearable) - combined with a sound scolding - are the spankings most likely to bring surrender and sobs. --al

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  23. Norton wrote: >"There is a paddle hanging on the wall in the bedroom as a reminder. Recently the house cleaner came over, and I forgot to take it down, so she must know we are into spanking" <

    We also have a house keeper that comes in once a week - and has for many years. While we do always make it a point to make sure the paddles and such are put away before she comes, there is always a bath brush on the night stand - and although a bath brush is an everyday item that can be left in plain view, the fact that it is always on the night stand might seem a bit odd, and perhaps a clue to anyone who happens to be so inclined. And, while - when the kids were at home - we used to keep all the paddles and straps carefully locked up, now there is often a strap left in the night stand drawer, so if she were the least bit snoopy, then that would have to be a certain giveaway. She has been with us for so long, that we think nothing of leaving her in the house alone, so she has had plenty of opportunity to snoop if she were simply curious (because so many keep sex toys and such in their nightstands). I'm sure she would never mention it even if she found the whole toybox left unlocked. --al

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    1. Al, you're one step more open than us with the display. We leave the bath brush and ebony hairbrush on the counter in the bathroom. It's more innocuous than on a night stand by the bed. But, they are displayed prominently in the middle of the counter, which is across the room from the bathtub and shower, making it an odd place to leave a bath brush. We also don't have a housekeeper, but when our kids visit it's not uncommon for them to talk to my wife while she's doing something in the bathroom.

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  24. Our hairbrush resides in either the bathroom or our bedroom. Guests do use that bathroom, but I don't think anyone would think much about a somewhat oversized brush next to the mirror (unless they are into spanking themslves). In our bedroom, the hairbrush sits next to our wedding picture on the dresser.
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