Saturday, March 23, 2024

The Club - Meeting 471 - Disciplinary Spankings for Life Goals, Procrastination, Etc.

"He who cannot obey himself will be commanded." - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

Hello all.  Welcome back to the Disciplinary Couples Club.  Our weekly meeting of men and women who are in, or interested in being in, Domestic Discipline and/or Female Led (FLR) relationships.

 

Once again, before we get started, I would like to extend a specific invitation to any of our female readers, if they still exist, to move from “lurker” to “commenter” status. We miss having you around.

 

I hope you all had a good week.  It’s been a weird couple of weeks here weatherwise. We got a major early spring storm at the end of last week. Yet, here we are just a few days later and it feels like motorcycle weather is just around the corner.   

 

This is probably the only artwork in my collection depicting a male getting spanked while draped over a motorcycle. It’s not something Anne has explored and, since she doesn’t ride, it probably would have to happen in our garage, which is unlikely given that the neighbors might overhear.  But, given her newfound openness around things like raising the bedroom shades during a session, who knows. . ..

 

And, I do, unfortunately, have one coming.  It was a difficult week from a behavioral perspective.  Lots of travel.  Lots of socializing. An ideal recipe for the kind of misbehavior I’m usually guilty of.  Anne has already told me that I’m in for one tonight. It’s been several weeks since the last one, so I know this one will almost certainly be very painful.

 

Some of the misbehavior illustrates the good and bad of my retirement social life.  Most of my friends over the last three decades have been work colleagues.  With me retired and most of them still working, many of those relationships drifted, and for the first two years of retirement, they weren’t replaced with anything.  That changed several months ago, when I started hanging out with a guy I met through some local political initiatives.  It’s been great making a new friend at this stage but, unfortunately for my butt, we share many of the same vices.

 

 

The odd thing is, while I’m sure nothing like the above picture would ever happen, both Anne and I have detected some FLR-like vibes when we’ve gotten together socially with them.  She’s a very successful career woman and clearly used to being in charge at work and at home.  Our friendship isn’t quite at the stage at which I would unilaterally spill secrets regarding our DD relationship, but I could see it happening in the future.  Stay tuned . . .

 

It was a little quiet here on the blog last week, at least with respect to the actual topic.  But, there were some interesting comments.  I especially liked this from MW regarding getting frequent spankings for a combination of different behaviors:

 

When we're spanked for missing a different habit or combination of habits each time, it feels consistent because our specific wrong choices or mismanagements come from one underlying mindset and attitude. We leave the spanking thinking about how to manage the whole day better, not just a small part of it.

 

I think that’s a great observation and, in my case at least, I do think that most of my punishments result from a small handful of attitude and temperament challenges, including from a “big picture” perspective things like self-indulgence and risk-taking, along with some basic carelessness. Anne doesn’t generally spank for “attitude” per se put, as MW’s comment illustrates, on some level, it’s all attitude. 

 

I would also encourage any of you who missed it to look at Alan’s comment from earlier today on the self-defeating nature or resisting a spanking even if you genuinely believe it is unfair.  I won’t repeat the whole comment, but here is the part about the value of giving in to “unfair” spankings:

 

But what about when she is threatening or punishing you for something you strongly feel is unfair -or is she just wrong about it? This is probably the most challenging moment in DD consent -taking a spanking (or other punishment) you “know” you don’t deserve.) I have accepted several of these in our marriage, and I consider them among the best investments in our relationship I have made.

 

Why? Firstly, while she allows me only limited appeals before a spanking, there is no limit on discussing my feelings after a spanking (and there have been some spankings that she apologized for). We have thrashed out many issues with the hairbrush being back in the drawer. This has served as a safety valve against resentment.

 

But beyond that, I accept spankings that may be unfair because the cost of fighting them is much higher than the cost of accepting them. I could compare it to hiring a lawyer for 1000 dollars to fight a 100-dollar ticket. Even if you win, you have already lost. The spanking will be over in ten minutes, absolute top-- but the cost of defying her over one can go on for weeks, months, or even forever.

 


I seem to have once again run out of ideas for new topics, so this week’s post is more of an update on some of the things Anne and I have been exploring. I’ve mentioned a few times now that we’ve been experimenting with using DD to help me drive forward on some bigger life goals.  I was going to wait until we’d been at it for a while before devoting a post to it, but thanks to some big family commitments we’re probably going to have to pause it for two or three weeks. So, I’ll describe it a bit here and then do an update once we’ve had an opportunity to really focus on it.

 

This all started with some very personal frustration I experienced last year.  My first year of retirement was devoted mainly to getting my health and energy back after burning the candle at both ends for too many years.  The second year included a lot of exploring new interests and activities. 

 

Then, last year, I hit a real flat spot.  For unknown reasons, I stagnated on multiple fronts.  Way too much time was spent reading bad books and watching too many streaming series. I had been doing quite a bit of writing the year before, but last year this blog was the only creative activity I maintained.  By the end of the year, I was very frustrated with myself but seemed to lack the will to overcome the inertia.

 

When I get to the end of a calendar year, I usually come up with a list of goals for the following year. But, in the past they were heavily focused on career and financial goals. This year, I decided that instead of listing some obvious areas of improvement (lose weight, exercise more, etc.), I committed to trying to get unstuck.  I put together a spreadsheet, which I used to list activities, fantasies, dreams, etc. that I recall having as far back as when I was a little kid.  I then identified those that had stuck with me, in one form or another, through multiple big life phases.

 

I also identified, from among the hobbies and pursuits I’d tried over the years, those few that I’d stuck with for many years. 

 

I then ranked all those individual items in terms of (a) how much they still resonate with me today, and (b) for those that I’ve thought about and thought about but never actually committed to, how much I think I’ll regret it on my deathbed if I don’t at least give them some real attention and effort.  I narrowed the list down to about five key areas.  Then, in each of those areas, I identified specific, concrete action items that would help move things forward.

 

Anne and I have never really used it for that purpose, and although we have talked a lot about instituting a reporting or “check-in” system, we’ve never really done it.  Honestly, while I always knew I would benefit from accountability around meeting personal goals, I always assumed that Anne would find it too burdensome, since my issues around procrastination and laziness with respect to big life goals had little real impact on her.

 

But, around the time that I was putting my “goal ranking” system together, I did a blog post on using DD for self-improvement and goal-setting. Anne does read the blog fairly regularly but seldom comments on any particular post. We do, however, often talk about our DD relationship when in bed. Honestly, it’s sort of like a form of foreplay, but it’s often me doing most of the talking.

 

Well, it became clear that Anne had read that blog post, because she brought up the possibility of “helping me” achieve my goals and get over my procrastination problems.  

 

Since some of the things we talk about regarding DD when in bed don’t actually end up happening, I wasn’t sure how seriously to take it. So, I wrote her a journal entry, asking whether she was serious about exploring it and suggesting what a system might look like.

 

She confirmed that she was very serious about it.  I may have even detected a bit of "be careful what you ask for, I may give it to you" glee in her voice.

 


So, we had a face-to-face meeting in which I walked her through the spreadsheet and explained how I’d generated it. She didn’t want to try to hit all five of the big areas at once.  Instead, she pushed me to narrow down which was the most important to me.  She then immediately assigned four specific action items. 

 

My original conception was to do a check-in once a month, so it wouldn't be too burdensome on her.  With that in mind, I would assume I would have a month to work on each set of action items.  But, she decided that nothing she had assigned was all that ambitious, so she dictated that I had one week to complete all four. 

 

 

The bottom line is, I got them all done.  The entire week, that “to-do” list was on my mind.  Near the end of the week, I realized I hadn’t finished one of them, and I went into a bit of panic mode.  It felt both humbling, but also oddly reassuring, that I knew specifically what I needed to accomplish and what would happen if I didn’t do it.

 

The jury is still out on how this will work out over time. But, the big surprise so far is how it seemingly has been as much a focus for Anne as for me.  As in most of these relationships, it’s been me as the DD recipient who has been the most consumed by it.  I feel like now that dynamic is changing a little, with Anne showing increasingly consistent interest in being in charge and holding me accountable.

 

Also, my narrow focus on life goals seems to be getting extended into other areas, like Anne assigning chores.  A couple of weeks ago, we were having guests over, and she handed me a note card with four house clean-up assignments, and titled it “Dan’s [but using my real name] Task List.”  I got them done and left the checked-off list for her on the kitchen counter.  One of our kids noticed it when visiting a few days later and commented that it was remarkable that I got such a list and that I actually complied!  Last week, Anne wanted to clean up the house so it wasn’t a mess when the dog-sitter arrived, so she again gave me a task list.

 

We also agreed that, since we are planning to do check-in meetings on my goal list weekly, we will use those to address behavior issues more generally.  At the end of each meeting, she will ask me if there is anything I think I should be spanked for.  If I don’t report honestly, there is always the risk that she will order multiple spankings, one for the behavior and one for the lack of honesty.  

 

More positively, it’s also an opportunity for me to ask to be held accountable for something she may not have noticed or cared about but that has been nagging at me.  While it doesn’t happen often, there are times that I do feel like I need to pay a price for something I did or didn’t do, like being extremely careless about something that ends up costing me time or money.

 

 

So, that’s where we are with our new check-in process for life goals and behavioral issues.  As I said, we have some commitments coming up that are likely to interfere with implementing it consistently, so the big challenge is not letting it become one of those things we talked about but didn’t follow through.  Given Anne’s level of interest, however, I don’t think that’s how it will go this time.

 

I’ll keep you all posted.  In the meantime, have a good week.

57 comments:

  1. Those are such exciting steps to take. Please let us know how the check-ins keep going. Will she keep assigning you next steps are are you expected to find momentum and plan the steps yourself?

    Are you the type of creative to need a steady, disciplined approach or will one of these take off and become a drive and happy place that is self-sustaining?

    "We do, however, often talk about our DD relationship when in bed. Honestly, it’s sort of like a form of foreplay, but it’s often me doing most of the talking."

    Not just me, then. My wife recently said that when I get too chatty about all this at night, it means she should ask if she should spank me, without worrying why. So she's been giving these looks at night that make me nervous, not because she looks scary, but because she sees my need and knows I know she sees it, and she's daring me to say something first.

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    1. "Will she keep assigning you next steps are are you expected to find momentum and plan the steps yourself?" It's hard to say. I think we're going to have to play some of it by ear. Several of the things on my list ultimately require cooperation from other people, and I'm already seeing some of it get slowed down because of that.

      "Are you the type of creative to need a steady, disciplined approach or will one of these take off and become a drive and happy place that is self-sustaining?" So, I don't consider myself a creative at all, and that's part of the problem. Some people have a great time with retirement, because they had pre-existing passions and hobbies, and work was always in the way of getting to those other things. I've never really had that. I have a lot of general interests like hiking and travel and physical fitness, but none of it that rises to the level of a true passion, and I'm not a very creative person. I write reasonably well, but even that isn't something that I wake up in the morning thinking about. I've had friends who retired early and seemed to have an easier time with it, and I think the difference is they had concrete things they were leaving the job to do. For me, it was more like I'd devoted myself to career for my entire adult life, and I liked my profession but it was killing me, so I left it before I dropped dead at my desk. There wasn't some creative vision I was leaving to pursue.

      "Not just me, then." No, definitely not just you. Our very first conversation about DD was with the two of us in bed. It wasn't foreplay, which actually made it harder. But, we were in bed, lights off, and I got up the courage to tell her about this "interesting" website I'd found called the Disciplinary Wives Club. Twenty years later, nine out of ten conversations we have about DD still occur in bed, with the lights off.

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    2. We too talk about DD and things like that almost entirely in bed. I like how you called it almost a form of foreplay. I would say it is definitely that way for us as well. I hadn't thought of it that way, but it truly is an excellent description.

      "Some people have a great time with retirement, because they had pre-existing passions and hobbies, and work was always in the way of getting to those other things. I've never really had that. I have a lot of general interests like hiking and travel and physical fitness, but none of it that rises to the level of a true passion, and I'm not a very creative person." - I can relate to this fully. I have many things that I really like to do, but quite frankly, I am a workaholic, and am probably more passionate about work than about anything else in life. I like doing other things, but I generally put work first before doing them, so if I am not working, I don't really know what to do with myself. I can't just "be," I must "do."

      -ZM

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    3. "I have many things that I really like to do, but quite frankly, I am a workaholic, and am probably more passionate about work than about anything else in life." Yep, same here. When I was working, I never really felt like I was short-changing other stuff in my life, because I liked work more than I liked those other things. Eventually, I couldn't keep up the pace I set for myself, but that's not really the same thing as mixing too much work and too little personal time.

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    4. I’m similar to JM. I’m at an age which most people would consider retirement - I have two younger brothers who are retired - but can’t imagine doing so myself. My work is the nearest thing I have to a hobby, I really don’t have any outside interests, or any need for them. TG

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    5. Sorry. ZM, not JM

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  2. MW,
    I’m right with you. I usually discuss spanking when we are in bed late at night during foreplay. I’ve approached my wife about DD for failing my gym routine, but she is uninterested in that approach. I believe it’s partially due to her not being a gym nut or athlete. She likes to walk for exercise and that is about it. I play multiple sports and now that it is getting warm, I will be playing three throughout the summer. I still don’t have the sack to ask her to thrash me when I need it. I don’ t want to top from the bottom so to speak. We are currently away visiting family, and I had an attitude one day. We went to the bedroom. She said she was tired of my tude, when we get home you’re getting a beating. I knew why, so I didn’t bother to argue. Family went out for the day, and my wife and I were fooling around. She didn’t want to spank me in case someone came home, but I told her she was correct about my attitude. Her response was, don’t worry you won’t be sitting comfortably for a few days when we get home.
    T

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    1. "I don’ t want to top from the bottom so to speak." I really try to stay away from that concept in the context of DD. I feel like it's a very Femdom, BDSM thing that sometimes gets imported into real DD relationships. I do think there is such a thing as pestering and trying to control things when you really want to let go of control, but I still think communication about what you want and need, and about what is working and what is not, is critical.

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  3. This sounds really interesting Dan. I hope that it keeps going for you. Lovely that Anne is setting the tasks, both to achieve your goals and hers!

    I am curious as to

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  4. why other commitments would preclude continuing, even with small steps? I think that while she is on a roll you need to find a way to keep going even around the other commitments...

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    1. It's just going to be a very, very busy couple of weeks with travel and lots of people around all the time, and Anne has a lot of things she needs to get done. It was great that she doesn't see the plan itself as burdensome and even ramped it up from a monthly check-in to weekly, but sometimes the DD stuff really does have to yield to other things going on in our lives. We've known this period of frenetic activity was coming and when, so now it's just kind of gritting our teeth to get to the other side of it.

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    2. She might surprise you yet... sounds a great way to achieve your goals.

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    3. It's certainly possible. She's been full of surprises lately . . .

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    4. For us, there is no question that the thing that kept us from going forward to check-ins was never having the house to ourselves. And on the very rare times that we were alone, who wanted to spend it on punishing me?

      I think that is one reason that at some level, I wish that DD could just be totally open and matter of fact with no element of privacy. So then it wouldn't matter if others were around or not. Of course, I am not saying I would really like that, and certainly part of the big attraction to FLR/DD things is the hidden/kinky secret side of it. But still, in practical terms, the need for privacy has been the biggest impediment to actually implementing it and maintaining it consistently.

      -ZM

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    5. ZM, I totally get that tension between the perceived need for privacy leading to wanting it to be out and accepted, on the one hand, and the "naughty little secret" aspect that (for me) has a huge appeal. I think for me the ideal balance would have been for it to be a known thing at home, buy maybe only slightly more open to the rest of the world, such that we weren't exactly hiding it but weren't flaunting it either. There was a woman who used to post on here years ago named Holly. She talked about how, growing up, her mother was the disciplinarian and everyone knew her dad was punished along with the kids. She would take him down to the basement, and the kids could hear the faint sounds of the strapping and would see him sitting gingerly the next day. Part of me wishes we had gone that route, instead of trying so hard to keep it a secret from kids. Working around the kids' presence definitely had a very negative impact on consistency. While they are now gone, that lack of consistency remains a problem, and I think that's because it became the prevailing pattern over so many years.

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    6. my wife has very much taken the approach of hollys mother. everyone in the house knows she is the disciplinarian and that she disciplines me too. she likes addressing issues right away and she will order me up to our room, scold and discipline with a belt or cane behind closed doors. it hasnt caused any issues though. I think our kids know she is the hoh and from the scolding they know I did something deserving of correction.
      - DD

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    7. forgot to add I think if anything they see us fight less as a net result.
      - DD

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    8. I do think that would be workable, where everyone in the house knows the wife is the disciplinarian and that she punishes as necessary, including her husband. However, that wouldn't work for me in my current circumstance, since my wife never really punished her kids that I know of.

      -ZM

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    9. DD, I really have no idea what our kids no or don't know. We've never told them, and I was spanked with them in the house only after bedtime when they were young. But, kids are smarter, and more inquisitive/devious, than we give them credit for.

      ZM, same here -- Anne never spanked the kids. But, I'm in the camp that believes that had Anne been more open about her status early on, including simply telling me to join her upstairs or in the basement for a spanking while the kids were in the house, as long as it was treated as some "ordinary" part of the relationships, it's unlikely it would have any negative consequences for them. Anne's stated concern has been that it might cause them to have less respect for me. My response has always been that I have worked my ass off to provide for them and help them be everything they can in life, so if they ever *did* lose respect for me over something like that, screw them. I also have always equated a DD-FLR lifestyle to military ranks. In our scheme, Anne would be the general, which outranks me as a colonel, but I way outrank the kids who start out as privates and might graduate college as lieutenants at best.

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    10. Dan, your military rank example is perfect. It is so interesting that we are just fine with hierarchies and power imbalances in so many things in life, and yet struggle with them existing in others...

      -ZM

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    11. Dan, Love your 'military rank' analogy which I frequently use. I like to say that marriage is the perfect democracy - because the vote is almost always tied - LOL. DD in an FLR is the ultimate 'tie breaker'' While I can make a strong case for DD in a Male Dom relationship, I also believe that two aspects of DD are particularly suited to Fem Dom:
      1) Males perform well in a hierarchy such as the military;
      2) Males respond well to physical stimuli such as food, sex and yes, corporal punishment.
      Carl H

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    12. ZM, yeah, I suspect it's a matter of the pendulum always swinging too hard one way or the other. For a long time, very patriarchal households were the norm. Then things became much more egalitarian, which is generally a very good thing. I don't for a second defend the old patriarchal systems. But, egalitarianism has become so enshrined that it becomes a problem to honestly explore models that aren't "everybody is equal." As I've talked about a few times, I'm friends with a female blogger (her blog is still in my blogroll to the right, though she hasn't updated it in years) who is a F/m DD/FLR relationship. She told me at one point, "Let's face it, truly equal relationships are rare, probably because they don't work." Based on my experience, she's right.

      Carl H: I agree on the "tie breaker" comment, and in 1:1 relationships, a tie breaker often really is necessary. I've talked here before about a big project I had at work in which I was leading the charge together with someone who was a peer. We both had strong personalities and, unfortunately, every once in a while we would reach a true impasse on what should be done. It lead to some knock down, drag out brawls, because it truly was a peer relationship with neither of us willing to take a secondary position in a hierarchy.

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  5. Couldn't agree more with Dan about avoiding the dubious concept of "topping from the bottom", we don't give up thinking and consciousness when we ask for/get/live in a relationship involving F/M spanking. I recently saw a meme (could have been on here or elsewhere) where the gist was "the consent applies to the perimeters of the relationship, not to when I decide you deserve a spanking". For me that is the balance you want, full input into the overarching elements, 99% compliance when the words "come here now" are uttered. I also think that if you have done the first part well (not that I'm claiming that is in play with me and Mrs GL) then stuff like "catch-up" spankings shouldn't cause any concern. In a perfect world I have nearly 50 years worth of behavioural mistakes to have sorted LOL. Cheers GLM.

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    1. GLM, exactly right on the whole issue of consent. That perfectly describes how I see it.

      -ZM

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  6. It was a good plan by Anne to set you some reasonable tasks that were achievable and gave you a good chance of success.What was Anne's reaction to you achieving your 4 tasks? Disappointment ? Satisfaction?

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  7. Hi Dan,
    I can't believe this is my first comment in almost a month, but life has been just sort of that way...

    For spanking instruments when growing up, it was paddle at school (others, not me!) and at home it was probably hand or belt (again, mostly others, not me). Here where I currently live and where my wife is from, at school it was switch on the hands at school - sometimes with thorns still on the switches if the teacher wanted to instill fear - and again mostly belt at home. As for current implements, my wife prefers paddles because she loves the sound they make, but she also likes canes far too much. She likes the strap quite well, but doesn't like belts because they tend to come back and hit her hand or arm.

    Regarding DD and healthy living, these were the biggest elements by far of our check-in system, after the initial few months that were primarily focused on getting me "unstuck" in life and business. I really wish we had been able to keep this going, since my health is quite concerning these days.

    Also, most of the times she has used probing or interrogation, it has been in check-ins, where she drills down on certain items on the list, especially where I was giving myself too much credit.

    And now to this weeks topic!

    First off, congratulations on making a new friend. Whether or not you are ever able to share your DD interest with him, it is always nice to have friends! Years ago, my ex-wife and I became close friends with a couple. They still are dear friends, but life has taken us in different directions, so I don't seem them often. I would say their relationship was clearly FLR, though I have no reason to believe DD was part of it. She clearly was in charge though, and he was extremely quick and careful to comply.

    Regarding Alan's advice, truly excellent, even though it is very hard at the time it happens.

    When we were doing check-ins, my feelings exactly mirrored what you were saying about how I felt about items on the list, and the feeling of panic when it was crunch-time. I both hated and loved the feeling of panic. It was just so very real. Also, being the ever-rebel that I am, I bridle at the thought of anyone giving me a list of things to do, yet again if she does it and holds her ground, I feel very "taken in hand" and loved and like somehow the whole world just feels safer and makes more sense.

    I saw the word "procrastination" in the topic, and my heart kind of jumped. It is the one thing that my wife has not really set out to address specifically, even though it is the source of almost every problem in our life. If she ever got serious about that one, I doubt that I would ever sit again!

    Hopefully I will be able to chime in more regularly this week.

    -ZM







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    1. ZM, welcome back!

      First of all, get your health under control, my friend. I know life is busy, but I just about put myself in the ground by working too hard and not taking care of myself while I was doing it. Don't do the same. There are times you have to work your ass off, but without the diet and exercise being pristine during those times, things can get really bad really fast.

      "I both hated and loved the feeling of panic. It was just so very real. Also, being the ever-rebel that I am, I bridle at the thought of anyone giving me a list of things to do, yet again if she does it and holds her ground, I feel very "taken in hand"" Exactly. That rebellious part of me is tempted to leave one item on the list undone or do one in a half-assed way, just to tempt fate. But, that rebellious part is exactly what we are trying to stamp out with her being more in control.

      I agree on procrastination being the root of almost all my problems. Self-indulgence and carelessness are big factors too, but where this "life goals" focus is concerned, procrastination is at the root of everything.

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  8. First, I can relate to the concept of talking about your DD in bed as foreplay. Like Dan, it is usually me doing most of the talking. Generally, the turn on for me is centered on her authority and strictness, or, as Dan said, "Holding her ground" which isn't really her nature. However, she can get into that role sometimes, because she knows it turns me on. The 2 issues that will result in a hard spanking are drinking past my limit and occasional reckless driving. We have experimented with setting goals around things I wanted to accomplish, like cleaning the garage, but it never really felt like it worked very well. And it did feel like I was topping from the bottom, which is different than her spanking for issues she really cares about. While procrastination has certainly been a problem for me, it has been the alcohol consumption that leads to it. Since I have cut back on that, things are generally much better. I have tried to cut back on my own before, but nothing worked as well as DD and hard paddling. Because we have frequent check ins, my PTSD is much reduced, which helped reduce the craving for beer.

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    1. "While procrastination has certainly been a problem for me, it has been the alcohol consumption that leads to it." While I have my own issues with alcohol, I'm not sure that it's contributed much to my procrastination, perhaps because I'm not remotely close to a daily drinker.

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    2. I am a daily drinker, but I never get drunk or have more than 2 beers. However, it always is more seductive to have a beer than to do something I’ve been avoiding.

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  9. This is a fairly narrow area, so hope I am not too far off-topic, but I have always (since starting this lifestyle) advocated that husbands have regular spankings, even without a disciplinary reason. Full-on spankings are only done when there is a definite disciplinary purpose.

    Granted, I don't have full-strength spankings regardless every evening, because if I did, they would no longer have a behaviour improvement function because there would be nothing I could do to avoid them.

    However, a husband should have regular "therapeutic spankings" (as described by the DWC) for the purpose of maintaining harmony, even when he has done absolutely nothing wrong.

    A lot has been said about the health benefits of whipping in a Finnish sauna:
    https://bzbcabinsandoutdoors.net/whipping-in-a-sauna/#:~:text=Whipping%20has%20been%20a%20part,Relaxes%20muscles

    Also, it is by far the best foreplay, for both a husband and wife. The feeling of the warm blood flow afterwards is hard to describe!

    J

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    1. If memory serves, therapeutic spankings was described as being as intense as disciplinary spankings, but not given for punishment. They were to be given to him on holidays and birthdays (his and hers). They always seemed like a good idea to me, as it would serve to remind each of them of their roles, and help keep F/M spanking on the front burner. I pitched the idea several times, but she never followed up on it. However, in our case, it isn't really necessary, because I get maintenance spankings twice a week, whether or not I have done anything wrong. They aren't as hard as disciplinary spankings, but they are hard enough to get my attention and remind me of her authority. She uses a timer, and generally a typical spanking will last at least 5 minutes. Sometimes she will combine them with some corner time before the check in, which serves to help me get grounded and reflect on any behavior that needs correction. Being spanked on such a regular basis has really has helped me improve my behavior, and because it is designated quality time for intimacy, it often leads to great sex. I used to get a spanking just once a week, but she (not me) decided I should usually get one before the weekend also.

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    2. Norton, probably, but my assumption is that it will be more extreme if she is unhappy because of a disciplinary matter. It is right that spankings tend to lead to great sex, hence one of the reasons why I am such a big proponent of them. Even shorter ones with a shorter instrument in bed before the next round are better than none.

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    3. I'm a big fan of "whatever works," and it sounds like this works for you. I think if for us it was that frequent and formalized, we'd both get burned out on the whole dynamic. And, for me, there really does have to be a strong accountability component, i.e. getting spanked for something real, for it to have any meaning.

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    4. Norton, I liked the idea of maintenance or therapeutic spankings, but my wife felt that it would become a chore for her to spank me multiple times per week at set times. Ours are definitely more spontaneous.
      Like she said the other night, I’m getting a beating when we fly home from visiting family. I actually didn’t expect her to address my negative attitude while away at families. She’s becoming more disciplined in the way she addresses me. I have a tendency to get cranky or negative at times. Although I’m generally a happy guy, I explained to her this is where I need her to administer strict corporal punishment. First off, I don’t like when I get in a negative mood and I hate sulking. After a good thrashing, I feel much better. As for the topping from the bottom comment. Maybe that’s not so much the correct term for it. We don’t do FLR or anything out of the scope of spanking. Although I’ve communicated my wants and needs, I don’t want to ever be critical of her. We obviously all here appreciate the fact that our wives have fulfilled our wants and desires to be put in our place when need. My ex would not even entertain spanking me for fun, never mind discipline. I feel maybe we are in the minority. I do wish I was spanked much more often, even when I don’t want to be spanked, but I’ll take what I can get and proud of her for administering it.
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    5. Some of our spankings have a therapeutic or stress-relieving aspect. It's hard to define what that means, and I wouldn't say that any spanking is purely one type. From my wife's perspective it's like needing to take the dog for a challenging walk so it doesn't tear up furniture that night.

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    6. Dan, I agree. Too often and it could lose its disciplinary usefulness, though I suppose it could still be useful as a reminder if done to excess.

      T, glad to hear things are going well in this respect and that they are going better than in your previous marriage. We should definitely encourage and be supportive of our wives when we do this, remembering that it is, in one sense, a favour.


      MW, I think there is a danger of overthinking spankings. As a strictly personal point of view, I think it is better to get into the habit of regular spankings and then think about their purpose, rather than overthink them and not have them. As I say, I recommend having them even when it is just for foreplay, given the fantastic feeling that exists when doing it with a sore backside.

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    7. MW: "From my wife's perspective it's like needing to take the dog for a challenging walk so it doesn't tear up furniture that night." Love that!

      T: "Although I’ve communicated my wants and needs, I don’t want to ever be critical of her." I agree, and it's a tough line to draw between giving feedback and communicating your needs, on the one hand, and pestering, criticizing and undermining on the other. Honestly, I think the latter is more likely to happen when what is being demanded isn't really a desire for discipline and accountability but, rather, the servicing of a spanking fetish or maybe even classic masochism. I think disciplinary spankings can and do come in lots of variations when it comes to severity and linkage to real behavioral issues, but I have noted over the years that those who are constantly trying to find ways to get spanked more seem to be getting and wanting what I call--admittedly pejoratively, "little love tap" spankings. I do think that some who are receiving real disciplinary spankings--including myself--often want more consistency and more accountability, which translates into more frequent spankings. But, I don't hear many whose spankings are at a severe level constantly pestering for more, more, more.

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    8. I can understand that, for many people, spanking itself, without any particular justification, is a desire or need that is best met on a regular basis. This would not work for me and some others who are attracted to DD and to spanking as a primary feature of the dynamic.

      I have no desire to be spanked unless it's disciplinary, and the desire there is to not enjoy the punishment. Spanking used outside the realm of punishment confuses the meaning of spanking as punishment for me. As the spanker myself, my wife enjoys other kinds of spankings, and that still allows us to occasionally engage in "funishment". Whatever satisfies and makes sense to the one being spanked. I have no desire for a "therapeutic" spanking, and we have harmony in our marriage that does not rely on spanking.

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    9. Dan, I assume you are describing something approaching "bratting". When things go into this sort of territory, yes, spanking will be very counter-productive! In my view, if there isn't at least some graduation between "love-tapping", maintenance spankings, therapeutic spankings and outright disciplinary spankings, there will be no behaviour-improving effects.

      In my strictly personal view, "love-tapping" should not be outright painful, if it is complemented by spanking used for behaviour-modifying purposes. Maintenance spankings should be just enough to remind the husband of the need to behave (say just before situations where he might be tempted to misbehave). Therapeutic spankings should be hard enough to be painful, since the husband's buttocks are intended to be a safe "focal point" for whatever is bottled up inside his wife, so she can cause the intended pain without other not-so-good effects: I assume this is why we have been given padding in this area. Male buttocks tens to be flatter (https://2pass.clinic/en/article/5-body-features-that-make-a-body-look-masculine#:~:text=In%20men%2C%20the%20buttocks%20are,is%20more%20flat%20in%20men.), which I assume is better for spanking with larger instruments (e.g. paddles). However, it shouldn't be as extreme as an outright disciplinary spanking, because then what is the husband trying to avoid by behaving well? Outright disciplinary spankings should be extremely painful, so that the husband is fearful of doing something that might result in one and he behaves himself, so as to avoid it. But, again, in my strictly personal point of view, outright disciplinary spankings shouldn't be so extreme that they result in pain for a prolonged period, because then where is the incentive to have a spanking, rather than the wife being passive-aggressive for weeks on end?

      I realise that with such a long explanation, I risk being accused of hypocrisy when it comes to over-thinking, but ah well! ;-)

      Brett, it goes without saying that it is possible to have harmony in a marriage without therapeutic spankings, or even without any spankings at all! However, spanking is a very easy way to shortcut the process of achieving the desired harmony, particularly for men. Many men just don't enjoy long and detailed talks and anaylses of the relationship and would happily bypass it with a quicker method like spanking. Again, my personal viewpoint only, but if people find a better way that works for them, great!

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    10. I am not all that much on the idea of maintenance or therapeutic spankings, but I am sure they do have their place.

      I greatly prefer for there to be a clear link between discipline and behavior. On the other hand, I am also generally ok (if not necessarily fine) with the idea of my wife spanking me for play or just because she wants to, or just to exercise her authority. After all, relationships are all about give and take, so I need to accommodate her needs and wants and not only my own. What I am not so good with - and unfortunately it is something that my wife tends to do - is when she makes up a reason. If she feels like she just wants to spank me, then I hate it when she somehow feels the need to pretend I was bad or had a bad attitude or something like that.

      One thing that is clear, however, is that being punished for something is much more intense than being spanked just as hard for maintenance or even play. Somehow, just the fact that it is a punishment for something that you did wrong changes everything. In fact, my wife and I have dabbled with many, many other kinky things, and probably my most common thought about each of those things is wondering just how different they would be if experienced as punishment rather than for kinky fun.

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    11. Anne has never really made up a reason, and most of the time my main concern has been lack of consistency, not being spanked too often or for flimsy reasons. But, over the last year, as she clearly had a step-change in her interest level in her role, I sensed there were times she was disappointed I wasn't giving her more reasons to do it.

      "Somehow, just the fact that it is a punishment for something that you did wrong changes everything." Attitude really is everything, isn't it? I can see it making a major difference in something like, say, pegging. It could be kinky sex play, but I can see how if she were treating it as a form of punishment, it could absolutely fulfill that function if she brought the right attitude toward. Or, even totally non-sexual things. Cleaning the bathroom or sweeping the floor usually has no disciplinary connotation for me. But, if one of those chores lands on her "to do" list and I now know I'm going to be held accountable for doing them . . .

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    12. Bad_boy_G_punished_by_Z, apart from you not being okay with it, if spanking that is definitely "discipline-strength" is administered almost randomly, it isn't likely to have much of a corrective effect, to my way of thinking. As I say, I think that if it is very definitely a disciplinary spanking, it should be clearly distinguisable from anything else.

      "But, over the last year, as she clearly had a step-change in her interest level in her role, I sensed there were times she was disappointed I wasn't giving her more reasons to do it."
      Dan, I suppose that could be good in some ways, because it means that it is having the desired corrective effect. However, the disappointment highlights why I suppose I personally think it is good when spankings happen for reasons other than direct disciplinary infractions. I personally think husbands should be willing to let their wives spank them, even when they haven't given her a direct disciplinary reason.

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    13. J, I understand, but I think you and I may be looking for very different things out of this aspect of our relationships. In fact, I wonder whether that DWC story on therapeutic spankings might be kind of a litmus test for each reader's primary driving motivation for these relationships. It's clearly one of your favorites from the DWC site, while it's always been one of my least. When spanking is divorced from the core DWC principle of real spankings connected directly to real offenses or attitude issues, I lose pretty much all interest. The more routinized or arbitrary they become the less interest I have. I do think Anne has more of an interest in some of the FLR side of the relationship, with things like service submission playing a much bigger role in her psyche than in mine, though she hasn't explored those areas that much. If she does, I will cooperate because I'm a firm believer that these kinds of relationships are doomed unless *both* parties' interests are being served. But, the neither one of us has any interest in therapeutic spankings, maintenance that isn't connected to actual punishment or performance issues, etc.

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  10. My wife is not very goal oriented when it comes to me. There are no set check points. She has major goals for herself and is fairly self disciplined about keeping them. While I specfy what I want for myself she's the boss and decides what's best for both of us. There is one area in our relationship that I will not ceed control to her. She has some medical issues that I insist on monitoring. There is of course no punishment for her other than a lecture about taking care of herself. She does the same for me but there could be a spanking if I rebel and do something that could be considered dangerous to my health. We seem to go thru periods where she sees that I'm off the rails. My problem has never been alcohol or drugs. I can very quickly become negative and when she sees it I know that one or more spankings are coming my way until she sees a change in attitude. I was recently spanked three days in a row. I can be very stubborn about letting go of a negative attitude given challenging circumstances. Three nights of going to bed so sore that it was difficult to sleep. I finally gave up the negative attitude. She has been very happy this week with my change even though she knows it will most likely be short lived. She can become very strict when she sees the attitude. The truth is I want her to blister me good for it because it is my nemises that I can't control much like alcohol for some it is something that I can't stop. I have told her on many occasions that she should not put up with it. During my moods I can be demeaning to her and say some hurtful things or try to put guilt on her for circumstances that are out of our control. I love and need her help with this




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    1. "I can be very stubborn about letting go of a negative attitude given challenging circumstances."

      Understood. There is definitely something very self-indulgent about wallowing in a bad mood. Though, I'm typically in a fairly good mood, and when I'm not it passes fairly quickly. My attitude problems are more about cynicism, snarkiness, lack of respect, etc.

      "She can become very strict when she sees the attitude. The truth is I want her to blister me good for it because it is my nemises that I can't control much like alcohol for some it is something that I can't stop."

      We had a discussion about this last night, after my first spanking in several weeks. I was pretty candid that I feel like I've been drifting out of control and that, if she's willing, I'd like her to start coming down on things harder and faster. Although it's taken a long time, I think she's starting to understand that my personality is strong enough that a single spanking then a gap that can last week until the next one just isn't going to root out some of the problems or sand off the rough edges that I've had for many decades.

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  11. "My attitude problems are more about cynicism, snarkiness, lack of respect"

    My bad attitude almost always lead to disrespect. When I spin out of control I take no enemies. I loose any kind of filter but the guilt afterwards only makes me more depressed until she spanks me and by then I'm almost begging for it. Once time I told her to quit complaining about my attitude and do something about it. She usually will wait until just before bed to deal with me but not that day. I was in the middle of working on some project outside but when I came back in she was waiting with paddle in hand.
    In fact it's the only time I remember getting an on the spot spanking.

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    1. You're so right that disrespect is often the result of some other attitude problem. Mine often pops up when I'm frustrated by some project or task, and she tries to engage with me and my temper or snark surge.

      "Once time I told her to quit complaining about my attitude and do something about it." I know some will say that kind of comment is itself a big problem, but I get it. When a wife has been empowered with DD, she does have the ability to deal strongly with attitude she doesn't like. Complaining, nagging, sulking, flouncing -- those are all the non-DD ways of dealing with a problem, and they are the things DD is supposed to put an end to. So, I get giving a wife a reminder that it takes to make these relationships really work as intended, and both parties have to show up. I've never understood why disrespect and snark are things my wife does get angry about often, yet they are among the issues she has been the least consistent in spanking for.

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  12. Ward, I’m right with you on the bad attitude. My crankiness leads to a bad attitude and then I get a bit snippy with my wife. DD has curtailed it a bit. According to her, I need constant affirmation and she is correct in her chastisement of me. She followed through on her promise last night when we returned home. We were both exhausted from early travel and took a nap. After dinner, she said to me remember, your owed a good thrashing. I was not in the mood and still jet lagged. She heard nothing of it. I was paddled hard for quite some time and I promised to change my attitude. She chuckled and stated it wouldn’t be long before I was in the same position again. Her statement was, you stubborn naughty men never learn.
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    1. "We were both exhausted from early travel and took a nap. After dinner, she said to me remember, your owed a good thrashing. I was not in the mood and still jet lagged." At the time it may annoy me, but in retrospect I love it when Anne sticks to her guns and delivers on her timing, not on mine.

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  13. It seems our male ego won't let go so consistent reminders are needed to keep it in check. I was trying to give someone advice yesterday with her spouse. I reminded her that like all men his ego was keeping him from giving into her logic. Which by the way she was right and he was completely wrong but when she tried to tell him that he was wrong just got him angry because even though he may realize it his ego will not let her be right. He really needs discipline but that will never happen. It's unfortunate that she will use a more passive way to get her point across because they are locked into their vanilla lifestyle. DD short cuts the dragging out of the male ego. My wife is always right until she's not but her ego is so much less in the way than mine so empowering her to spank me even if I might be be right keeps my ego from bullying her into things and she will always figure it out eventually. I guess in some ways being spanked even when you are convinced that you are right empowers her more because I'm trusting her with everything knowing that she will get us to the correct answer every time even though it may not be instantly. She doesn't let her ego get in the way when she realizes she may have been wrong. She won't apologize for spanking me because she is the boss but she will admit her error and correct her thinking that's what makes her so perfect for me.

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    1. "My wife is always right until she's not but her ego is so much less in the way than mine so empowering her to spank me even if I might be be right keeps my ego from bullying her into things and she will always figure it out eventually."

      That's a nice way to put it. My wife is far from infallible. And, I'm probably a more analytical thinker than she is. But, someone once said of Eisenhower that he had a second-class intellect but a first-class temperament. I'm more analytical than Anne, but her temperament is way less volatile and more balanced than mine. She would never need DD, because her temperament will almost always get her to the right outcome, while for all my intellectualizing, it's not uncommon for my temperament and excesses to create a big mess.

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  14. Ward, it seems to me when she has reached the point where she is confident enough to spank you, even when you are convinced you are right, you have reached a milestone where your DD has instantly become more real. For me, it's more a question of her spanking me even when I really don't want it, which amounts to pretty much the same thing. In both cases, it means she has embraced her role of authority, and will spank you whenever she wants. Ultimately, that's what makes it work. Congratulations!

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  15. Norton, yes I have been spanked when I really didn't want it. I wasn't convinced that I was right rather I just didn't want to deal with the pain and embarrassment of being over her knee after a long difficult time.

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    1. Ward and Norton, I can relate to you both. We returned home from travel and I was owed a thrashing. My wife followed through, even though I didn’t want it and was jet lagged. I’m still sore and bruised. I admire her for following through. I received the punishment needed for my attitude. Her confidence level has grown overtime. Consistency will be key for us moving forward. I did communicate to her how I felt about the punishment being delayed. I understood why given the circumstances of being away amongst family.
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  16. We have been with her family this week and are leaving in the morning apparently. I said something that embarrassed her and she told me I would get a spanking for it tonight. She was true to her word. I begged her not to because it was so late but she followed thru and I'm in bed with a sore bottom writing this.

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