“Have no fear of
perfection - you'll never reach it.” - Salvador Dali
Hello all. Welcome back to
The Disciplinary Couple’s Club. Our
weekly on-line gathering of men and women who are in, or would like to be in, a
Domestic Discipline relationship.
I hope you all had a great
week. Or two.
It’s been a while since we
had a real post, and I almost canceled this one. We were on the road for about 10 days,
staying with friends for a few nights, and the rest living out of van and hotels
with two adults and two dogs. In
temperatures capping out well over 100 degrees.
I was more than ready to get
home. But, after a couple of days sleeping in my own bed, I’ll be off on a
motorcycle adventure for a week starting this weekend.
As an
introvert, I hate feeling over-scheduled, even when it is fun stuff and by
choice.
I’m hoping that the last part of
the summer is more settled than the first.
As for the trip we just returned from, it was generally good, even if it involved too much time on the actual road. Anne
and I got along better than we usually do when traveling, possibly because my attitude was a bit better than usual. But, it’s all relative. I have definitely had my moments of temper vis-à-vis
other drivers. And, although I always
feel justified when I get into a bad mood when traveling, in retrospect I also
almost always recognize that some of it was childish and merits a childish
punishment. So, if she decides to spank
for it, it’s more than warranted.
Since I am going to be out again
and unable to respond promptly to any comments or requests to release captive
mis-identified spam, I decided to post this one a little early, and it will have
to be sufficient for probably another 10 days or so.
Norton has brought it up a couple
of times, though last week it was introduced with this anonymous comment:
As
a possible future or sub-topic I’m curious what happens in a DD relationship
when the reasons for punishment disappear or are eradicated? I have been
punished on average I estimate every 10 days since we started many years ago.
Sometimes more frequently, occasionally less. Recently we seem to be in
complete harmony and even when we are not, I have controlled my usual
irritations, sarcasm and/or rudeness. My wife has even commented how pleased
she is that there have been no reasons for a session.
How
long this will go on I don’t know… I’m curious about other people’s experiences
or thoughts?
Norton responded:
There
were several comments r.e. what happens to your DD if you become a changed man,
and the need to be spanked largely disappears? My current experience is much
the same as the first commenter's, as I said in the last post. Of course, I
still have fantasies about being spanked, and they seem to be a core part of my
sexuality. However, for the last 6 weeks, I haven't felt the need for a
spanking, and have been very careful to not do anything to earn one. We
continue to have a check in every week, but it no longer includes a spanking,
which it has every week for the last 5 years. She still has the authority to
spank for any reason, and that could even include stress relief for her. I
could also ask her for a spanking, and will do so, if I realized I needed one.
She enjoys being spanked foreplay, which is a turn on for me, but she doesn't
want it to be the least bit real. She doesn't get turned on by spanking me, but
she does enjoy some of the other benefits, such as having a better behaved,
more vulnerable, partner, and having more power in the relationship. It seems
like this may be a relevant topic to explore, since three of us have commented
on it already in this post.
Alan illustrated how his DD relationship has developed over time
with respect to how often he needs—or, how often his wife decides he needs—a spanking.
Every
couple probably carves out their own timetable for “how long it takes” to get
to that point where the need for spanking is extinguished or sharply diminished.
But I expect that most couples experience a gradual decrease in the use of
punishment spanking over time, not a full cessation of spanking: it always
remains a part of a relationship. My wife has said she expects always to need
to spank me at least occasionally. For us, disciplinary spanking frequency
reached its initial maximum within about two years and stabilized there for
several years. Somewhere around six or seven years, she tightened the
boundaries on a lot of things I was doing (not doing actually), and the
frequency of spanking shot up again for several years. Somewhere between our
12th and 15th year of DD, it gradually declined again to what became our
long-term “norm”. (3-5 spankings a year).
That
norm can fluctuate a lot from year to year. So, until last year, I had been
getting 3-5 punishment spankings a year for several years, but last year I
probably got more than one a month on average. But during the pandemic, I went
over a year without being spanked, so there was a lot of fluctuation.
So
that’s the big picture. Within that big frame, however, there were phases. One
phase, still operating with us, is that the scope of her standards and
expectations kept enlarging. Chores and responsibilities around the house kept
increasing (not unreasonably), and strictness in enforcing rules tightened up.
Things become “spankable” that originally were minor offenses or not even
within the scope of discipline. Some once minor spankings became major ones,
and so on.
A
separate phase was the rebellions I put on when she tightened the screws on me
or clipped my wings in some way. These bothered her initially, but she learned
to expect them (and how to deal with them). We both consider those “mini”
rebellions part of a healthy dynamic, although very early on, they did put a
hit on her confidence (as well as my ass).
I
also tend to “get in trouble” in bunches. Historically, the winter holidays
have been a very dangerous period for that, and multi-day travel by car is
similar. Interestingly, these instances of high risk have gone down over time
as she has handled them more decisively, but they still do occur
So
“what happens when there seems no need to spank …)? Each couple must work that
out –no cookie-cutter formula exists for it. Apparently, some couples use
maintenance spanking or (as my wife has done) increase the use of “preventive
spanking.” These can fill that void while keeping things on an even keel. In
any event, if we were at a point where we were missing the absence of spanking,
I hope we would sit down and decide together if that was a problem and, if so,
what to do about it. What can help heaps is a wife or GF just expressing
pleasure at your good behavior and maybe including an implied threat about the
consequences if that behavior doesn’t continue.
I admit I haven’t thought a
lot about what would happen if I suddenly no longer deserved spankings
periodically? It’s because I don’t
really foresee that happening. Or, I don’t
see it happening until I’m old enough that it will be more about lack of energy
than about a fully reformed character.
That’s why I led with the
quote at the top of this post. I know
myself well enough that I seriously doubt that I will reach a point where I don’t
do stupid, imprudent things.
And don’t lose my temper when driving, especially on long, hot trips.
Or, do careless things
that result in wasted time and diminished bank balances. Or any of the myriad of other things I do that push or buttons or have a tangible negative impact on one of our lives.
Now, the question of whether a
time will come when I don’t deserve spankings is different from the
question of whether I might reach a point where I don’t feel like I need that
part of our life anymore. But, the two
issues are intertwined.
There have been times when I
thought maybe I had matured to such a point that I no longer needed imposed
boundaries and guardrails. Then, as if merely by having that thought I jinxed my own
development, I would always do something that reinforced that no, I had not reached
some new pinnacle of personal development that made DD unnecessary in my life.
Norton’s question is, in some
ways, probably a litmus test regarding our respective primary motivations for
wanting this kind of relationship in the first place. Is it about the accountability? The need for penance? The need for boundaries and limits?
Or, is it just a spanking
fetish? If our behavior improves to the
extent that we don’t “need” a spanking in the sense of deserving one and profiting
from the boundaries one imposes, would we still “need” one in the sense of desiring
it even if consequences were not at issue.
For me, that’s a tough
one. A few years ago, I probably would
have said that my desire was so inextricably tied to the need for
accountability that spanking without that element would have no attraction.
I think that’s still mostly
true, but I think over the last few years I’ve also come to appreciate how much
my need for accountability is intertwined with a need to be under someone’s
authority and to experience the vulnerability that entails.
Moreover, even if my behavior
did improve by leaps and bounds, I suspect the goalposts would keep getting
moved, either in the sense of her getting more consistent and strict in punishing agreed upon behavior or in coming up with entirely new areas to address.
And, in my opinion, that’s how it
should be. I don’t think there will ever
be a point where I’m wholly satisfied with my behavior and accomplishments, and
I doubt a time will come when I don’t want my wife to have the power to push me
along.
Although our DD relationship began at my request, over the years she's reached a point where she enjoys her control and authority, both in terms of its effect on my behavior, and also for its own sake. Therefore, I don't foresee a time in which she suddenly decides that she has the perfect husband and, therefore, she no longer feels a need to exercise control - regardless of how I assess my own level of reformation.
I’m reminded of a couple of comments
left by KOJ (I hope this is just one of his periodic long absences and that he
comes back around soon).
“Here's
a paradox. In the first years of our DD (until I was well-trained), the better
I responded to my wife's spankings, the more spankings I got!
Why?
Two reasons. One, she saw that they
worked to improve my attitude and subdue my male ego, but I still had a long
way to go in her eyes. Two, she saw that spankings worked, so she kept adding
issues covered by DD.
First
it was all about respecting her. Then she added treating the kids better. Then
she added respecting others. Then she added punctuality. Then she added my
drinking. Then she added picking up after myself. Then she added actual chores.
Then she added procrastination. On and on -- a seemingly receding horizon of
new issues that guaranteed me an almost constant sore backside for a
decade. And she was right about every
single issue.” – KOJ
“I
think one of the reasons that our DD really took off is that my wife truly did
have goals for me; it wasn't me asking her to hold me accountable for goals I
was setting. She decided the goals, and she enforced them with hairbrush and
bath brush. I knew these goals were good for me, or for our marriage, so I did
not object.
She
would just announce them: ‘You're going to lose 20 pounds over the next three
months. You're going to start exercising five times a week. You're going to
stop saying the F-word. You're going to ask permission before you have a third
drink. You're going to call me when you have to stay at work late.” On and on
and on.
She
always had at least one goal for me in addition to frequent ‘attitude
adjustments.’ When I developed one habit she wanted, she would start on a new
one. It became a challenge for me; a game but a real one -- to achieve the
goals she set. When I got lazy or forgetful, my butt got the reminder. It
worked for us!”
In terms of frequency, ours
is roughly similar to Alan’s, with probably about 5-6 spankings a year, though
it fluctuates a lot. Where we may or may
not differ is that I see that average as less than ideal. That level of frequency is more closely tied
to our challenges with consistency than to my actual behavior. In other words, the fact that I get spanked
only a half-dozen times a year or so does not mean that I don’t deserve to be
spanked way more often than that, and it definitely doesn’t mean that a
half-dozen times a year is sufficient to address all the areas she has
indicated she’d like to change.
For us, the ideal is probably
something much closer to what KOJ describes – escalating levels of control on
her part, more frequent spankings to reflect her desires for my behavioral
change, and a generally heightened inclination on her part to use the power
that I know she has come to enjoy.
How about you? What do you think would happen to the DD
aspect of your relationship if the behavioral changes you both initially wanted
to address were fulfilled? Do you think
that’s even likely? In the possibly unlikely event that it did happen, would
she simply move the goalposts? Is that
something you would want? Or, would the
spanking aspect of the relationship continue but without the linkage to
behavior correction and being held accountable?
Have a great week-to-10 days.
