Hello all. Welcome back to the Disciplinary Couples
Club. Our weekly meeting of men and
women who are in, or interested in being in, Domestic Discipline relationships.
I usually end that intro by expressing
hope that you all had a good week. That
would probably be wishful thinking this week, wouldn’t it? What a tumultuous week it was. I started out on Monday thinking there was
some small chance that I might be getting on a flight the next day for a
pre-arranged business trip. By the end
of the week, we were in a virtual lockdown.
Not quite California’s “shelter from home” directive, but close. Instead of a business trip, I found myself
spending a week trying to help craft and implement policies for migrating a few
thousand people to working from home. By the end of the week, I was conducting
a virtual happy hour via video-conference for my direct reports so we could compare
notes, refine plans and, honestly, blow off some steam.
Of course, one thing we can’t
compare notes on is employees who have tested positive, not because of lack of
probably positives but because no one seems to be given a test regardless of how
symptomatic because there aren’t any tests out there. Wouldn’t it be kind of
nice to have some tests so our policy-makers could know how widely this virus has
actually spread? Maybe one of those poor
benighted countries that wasn’t lucky enough over the last three years to have
someone making it Great Again could loan us some.
Although I am going fairly
stir crazy just one week into this shutdown, it isn’t lost on me that it was
only about three weeks ago that I did a whole topic on “resets,” and now I seem
to be going through an involuntary one.
After several months of too much travel, too much work-related socializing,
too much drinking, too little rest, I suddenly find myself involuntarily grounded. The house is well-stocked with alcohol, but
over the last week I’ve had a whopping total of one lite beer. Which I guess proves that my observations
about my alcohol consumption being largely tied to work were more than mere
rationalizations. So, do I feel any better,
any more energetic, after this week of sobriety and involuntary inertia? Nope,
not a bit.
I thought about making this
non-voluntary, non-DD reset my topic for this week, but it hasn’t fully gelled
in my mind yet, so I’ll push it out for awhile. In fact, after having it in the
back of my mind for two days, I haven’t come up with a topic that is appropriate
for the times and something I actually have the focus and energy to write. I did like Tomy’s observations regarding
community and connections:
What's
going on out there causes me to think about the idea of community. I am
actually gratified to see how people are helping one another. Sure there are
the crazies trying to hoard everything they can get their hands on. But more
are in the reaching out, sharing, helping mode. I'm encouraged. We who come
here are also a community. We are brought together by our common interests and
the fact that those interests are, um, still outside of "social
norms". My fondest fantasy is that some of you will make it through the
membrane of anonymity and physical isolation and meet up and help one another.
Aunt Kay and I had so many deeply enriching connections and I want that for
you.
While in-person meetings of
any sort probably are on hold for a while, I get his desire for connection. It’s ironic how isolated we sometimes are
even when surrounded by others yet our weird world of attenuated electronic connections
thrives. Speaking of irony, I was going through some cartoons in my archive and found this one that struck me as having a whole new meaning after this little virologic
So, I think I’m going to just
give up on coming up with an actual topic for this week and, instead, do a slightly
less real-time version of the virtual happy hour I had with my team on
Friday. It didn’t accomplish anything
very productive in terms of business goals and was, rather, aimed at checking
in with people I’ve come to care about who are wrestling with an unprecedented
situation. So, how are you all
doing? How has the virus and associated
social distancing and shutdowns affected you and those you care about. Please don’t use this as a checklist of
questions to address, but a few examples of things I’d love to hear about include:
Have you or any of your
family or close friends contracted the virus?
If so, how are you/they doing?
For those of you who aren’t
retirees, is your job site shut down?
Are you working from home?
How are you and your family
holding up mentally/emotionally?
Have you found any positives
in this, like connecting more with family members, friends, or members of the
community, whether in person or electronically?
Some of you responded last
week with suggestions for helping others during this crisis. Is there anything in particular you are doing
or have thought of to help others get through this?
If you are one of the unlucky
ones stuck in a “shelter at home” at home mode, do you have any plans for
getting through it without going totally stir crazy? Maybe getting to those unread books that have
piled up on our bookshelf or Kindle?
Particular movies or series you intend to binge watch? Maybe a new hobby you intend to take up
during the downtime?
I hope you’re all doing as
well as can be expected. Please do what
you can and need to in order to keep yourselves and others healthy and safe.
I’m still a ff/ medic. We do have some precautions in place but if someone calls 911 we will still respond. JR
ReplyDeleteI get the impression most of the calls to 911 right now are from people seeking toilet paper.
DeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteFirst, thanks for posting a topic. I’m sure I speak for all when I say that I hope you and your family are safe and well. It’s interesting that you only posted a basic non-topic of pictures last week and got many comments including my own. It goes to show how popular the subject of discipline is. They were great pictures too!
Thus far, we have no family members or close friends that have the virus. Our children are grown and are safe and working from their homes. My wife and I are both working from home. Our jobs are analytical, and our employers are operating. We’re both in technology fields, and we think work will continue based on the type of services our employers provide and the jobs we perform.
Our family seems to be holding up fine, though one of our children has a job with significant responsibilities. He’s found that remote meetings have limitations. Often, after a remote meeting he needs to have another meeting with a subset of a team because some issue needs to be explained again. Both of our children are normally very active and are tired of being shut in. Their mother told them, “join the club.”
My wife and I come from small families and members are fine. We always keep in touch with them. If anything, my wife and I have reconnected with each other. We recently stepped up our FLR a few notches, and its actually been interesting to have the boss monitoring me since we’re both at home. Carol thinks discipline sessions should continue lol. She loves to cook and she assigned me clean up duties after she’s finished. That keeps me busy too. Since we’re living isolated from others right now we’ve learned more about each other. Carol really likes being the center of things, and she has moved to a leader role at home and at work. We’ve talked over many things like our hopes for the future, our concerns, and even philosophies.
We’re in our 50s, but we have asked an older couple if they needed anything at the store when we submitted an order remotely. We'll continue to do it. If they need anything to be dropped off or picked up at the drug store in the way of medications, we can do that. My wife prefers we both limit contact and stay home as directed or use the drive through. We’ve also been cleaning more. Right now, our home is spotless. I have a hobby and my wife is an avid reader. We like the same types of movies and TV shows and we are catching up on them. Let’s hope all continues to go well for everyone.
Thanks,
LH
It;'s great that you're doing that for the older couple.
DeleteDan,
DeleteWe were glad to be able to help. We know they have family but they are out in the mid-west because I spoke to their son when he and his family were visiting. Carol and I just didn't want them to have to go out. Most other neighbors appear to be our age or younger.
LH
Art is in sales and nothing is selling in his industry so we have a lot of time on our hands. We are working around our place, we have 10 acres, doing projects we have always talked about. The kids are helping in addition to doing their schoolwork at home. They are bored and want to see their friends.
ReplyDeleteI can vegetables so we have stores of food if we need it. Just waiting it out and hoping we don't get it. I'm glad so few kids get real sick.
No DD with the kids home. It doesn't seem appropriate anyway, in this time of crisis.
Liz
It's interesting how people react to times of crisis. LH reports his wife stepping things up a few notches. But, I'm more like you. I'm just not very into DD or anything like that right now, with all that's happening in the world.
Deletewell for any of the seasoned wives who are going the other way and feeling some DD itch to fill the time....i'd like to offer my bottom in this time of need....we all need to pull together and offer what we have in these trying times.....(lol...wink wink)
DeleteDan, Darren,
DeleteMy wife is concerned about the crisis, though she's the logical type while I'm the dreamer and worrier. I think she's trying to carry on as routinely as possible since there's not much you can do except to follow official recommendations.
I'm a little worried about offering my bottom. I was cleaning up after dinner and just before Carol left to watch the news she said, "Discipline is tomorrow evening downstairs starting at 8:45. Be on time wearing your collar and have a pair of pink panties covering your butt." "Yes Mistress Carol." She also told me I'll be getting feedback on my chores and conduct for the week. Then she walked into the TV room. I was totally surprised by our exchange.
Be well,
LH
My wife and I are of an advanced age and, hence, qualify as "unlucky ones stuck in a 'shelter at home' at home mode," but we are anything but "unlucky." For we have family and neighbors who are more than willing to go grocery shopping for us, and they have.
ReplyDeleteReinforcing our home curfew are dire warnings from experts like the Director of the National Institute of Health, Francis Collins: “There are estimates that if nothing goes right and if we fail to flatten the curve and if health systems are overwhelmed, we might see the deaths of as many as a million and a half people in the United States.” …. “A realistic worst-case scenario of what awaits America in the next eight weeks or so unless … we embrace ‘the more extreme version’ of social distancing.” …. “If you look at the rates of new cases that are being diagnosed, we’re on an exponential curve. …. That curve, some would say, places us only about eight days behind Italy. If that’s true, we have only a very short period of time before this becomes an obvious national crisis with many people presenting with serious illness and hospitals quickly becoming very stressed with the ability to handle all of these sick people, especially older people who are at higher risk and who may need not just a hospital bed but even a ventilator.”
Sobering words, indeed! But, for us there is nothing in them which prevents my wife from paddling me on a regular schedule, something I welcome. So, given the circumstances, I view myself as fortunate.
Hang in there.
DeleteI love the overall positive flavor of the posts so far. What we can most directly control, or at least try to, are our own attitudes eh?
ReplyDeleteSince Dan thought enough to highlight my comments about connection, I feel invited to continue with that theme and am reminded of the many times we connected with people via the telephone. It's low-risk in terms of revealing one's identity and has a surprisingly high return in satisfaction.
I know I always found it exciting to meet another couple that way. And even when Aunt Kay sent me out of the room while she spoke privately with the other woman, I though it was great. Sure I was madly curious as to their conversations, and I suppose I could have cheated by lurking near the door and listening. But I had way too much respect for her - and myself - to do that.
SO, consider that as something really special you can do during there times.
Hey Dan-
ReplyDeleteCrazy times, right? Happy to be able to report, family and I so far have gone unscathed. I just have one son in the house who’s role was deemed “essential function” (finance industry) so he’s still going to the office, but at this point, other than his team, no one else is there… so fingers crossed. I have to say, at a macro level, obviously I get it…it’s awful, dangerous, potentially lethal…..butttttt I think at this point it also merits bringing back a bit of perspective. Corona is broad class of virus that’s been around forever. The way the name is being used it’s been positioned out there as this singular thing like The Black Plague, (yes I get 19 is a singular strain) my point being it’s still a strain of the flu, cold and other similar illnesses …..over 30,000 americans dies of the flu, a coronavirus, last year in the ‘18-’19 season. The world’s not coming to an end and the awesome work and sacrifice everyone’s now doing (lol…except for spring breakers and SoCal beach people) to separate and keep safe I bet brings this to a close sooner than the media is making it seem. Time will tell right. Hopefully one of my last acts isn’t me sending in a last remark here from my Corona 19 death bed saying….sorry, I was wrong…LOL…LOL.
On a funner note… I have to say my curiosity, if not imagination has been running wild this weekend. A big part of what’s been in my thoughts directly relates to your Reset comment. This situation has created a pretty unique situation for many people. Being closed in together w significant others, knowing they are in fact completely alone because no one these days is stopping in. As we knew, even recently commented on here, introduction of/adoption of DD happens a lot w more mature couples…the age group where you start seeing empty-nest. I made this comment to my wife Saturday. You know SOMEWHERE there’s a couple that has been toying w DD and now for the first time find themselves ALONE w complete privacy, for a protracted period, with many of the distractions of everyday life at bay. What better ultimate launch pad could there be!!!!! I have to believe there’s some couple out there that given the perfect situation, use it as an opportunity to finally truly take the leap. At the same time those couples already practicing have the same benefit. Talk about an opportunity for an at home Boot Camp of sorts.
I’ve always been a proponent of pulling away the anonymity for those of us who have that interest. I know Dan has tried to figure out a way for those of us w/ that interest being able to connect. I’d even been happy to put out my email to this group. So to that end…for a bit of fun…here are the texts I sent my wife this weekend (I know this is still anonymous but it’s just sorta titillating knowing my private communication w wife has been put out there…lol)
Omg baby... somewhere there’s a couple like us... been talking about “it” for long while.... who are empty nesters so know they are all alone.... and find themselves quarantined these coming weeks .....🤔
All alone for 2 month she starts realizing she’s liking the new dynamic....as she starts assigning him his new chores.... that she informs him he will be responsible for moving forward ... and during their time alone he learns she’s quiet serious about that ...having experienced the consequences
She comes out of this little period w better behaved hubby lol
Everyone stay safe!!!!! Best to all of this very special group.
And, has your wife taken you up on any of those musing about how the enforced solitude may be playing out for other couples?
Deletewell we're having some fun and interesting texting going on....but we're sequestered w....4 kids
DeleteRosa and I are OK. We are in NJ and under mandatory lockdown and curfew. The scary part for me is that Rosa works in a hospital and her stories over what goes on out there are truly frightening. People have no clue as to how to wear a mask, or minimize contact.
ReplyDeleteSo far no one we know has it, but we know WAY too many good people who would be squarely in the high risk group and are concerned for them. Why can't this virus be lethal only to the cruel and stupid? (Now there's a pandemic where I could happily eschew medical wisdom in favor of the economy! "Back to life as usual everybody! Nothing to worry about.")
As for lifestyle stuff? On a standard level I am retired and always busy with several projects at once, so a lockdown for me is only a minor inconvenience. And on a kinkier level, we are actually trying to make the most of our time and having several little adventures.
"Why can't this virus be lethal only to the cruel and stupid? (Now there's a pandemic where I could happily eschew medical wisdom in favor of the economy! "Back to life as usual everybody! Nothing to worry about.")"
DeleteI know you are a hard core materialist, but it's hard for me not to see some karma at work in Rand Paul, flouter of social distancing recommendations and fan of weakening mandatory vaccination laws, testing positive.
Dan: For me to see any evidence of Karma at at work in that example, I would need to see an ultimately grim conclusion to Paul's infection. And for that matter, if Karma was real, there is a WAY more deserving example who so far seems as physically healthy as a plump little pumpkin. (mentally? well, not so much, but Covid-19 is not a mental illness.....though it does seem to reveal it in others.) ;-)
DeleteGiven your committed atheism and reference to the Darwin Awards, I'm betting you are silently cheering Trump on one thing: His desire for packed churches at Easter. :-) https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-response-trump-wants-to-reopen-us-economy-by-easter.html
DeleteDan: Well I wouldn't say "cheering", buuuuuuuuuuuuuut............ ;-)
DeleteBesides, regardless of my heathen feelings, none of the Trump-faithful or religious faithful need worry. In each case I'm sure that their 'god' will protect them just as he always has. (Actually, I heard his Easter remark today and I couldn't help but think as he stumbled through his words as always that if pressed, he wouldn't even be able to say what Easter actually commemorated.
Trump: "Easter, that great day. Some say the best day. When Jesus did that thing, you know they said he couldn't do it, but he did it. Just like me. Exactly like me. Jesus and I have a lot in common."
Reporter: "What was that?"
Trump: "You know, when he performed that miracle.....changed water into a hard-boiled egg. An orange one. You know, not that many people know that but that's the origin of the Easter Egg. Big crowd when he did that. Big crowd. Not as big as the crowds I get, but still pretty good for the time. Got great ratings, the crowd cheered for more so he followed up with pulling a rabbit out of a crown of thorns. Never been done before. Yeah, I love Easter. We will definitely be open for Easter."
That may very well be the funniest Trump parody I have ever heard!
DeleteDan: >>>>>bows humbly, with a grin<<<<<<<<
Deletekd,
DeleteDan said it first- that was an absolutely brilliant reprise of this odious charlatan who would sacrifice the lives of half the country if he could get a majority (make that a minority) of the survivors to vote for him again. It is hard to parody someone who himself is a parody- but you have done it.
Alan
jesus christ...case in point.....omg.... see ya next week
DeleteAlan: Thank you, kind sir. Since I write and particularly enjoy dialog, I find his speech patterns very easy to mimic. It's like doing a Weird Al-esque song parody for a tune that is already simple to begin with.
DeleteDarren: "jesus christ...case in point...omg" is also a pretty good distillation of the essence of Easter, though I would change 'case in point' to 'point in ribs'. ;-)
too funny...i caught my "Jesus Christ" in the Easter commentary as soon as i hit publish
DeleteHilarious, kd. Thanks for the laugh. I wish it wasn't so close to the truth.
DeleteBrett: Thanks. Me too. The proximity to reality is what made it so easy to write.
Deletekdpierre
DeleteA parody? Just like Adam Schiff's parody of Trump's phone call? It's not a parody, It's a lie.
Really. This is what I love about arguing with a Trump supporter -- the shifting sand arguments with a complete lack of irony. On the one hand, you all go around saying that Trump opponents wrongly take him "literally but not seriously." Then, if someone takes his point seriously but doesn't quote him literally, they are "lying." So, Trump's lackeys go on the news shows every day and claim he didn't mean what he said and insist no one should take him literally. But, anyone who accurately characterizes what he did say is not just spinning buy lying.
DeleteOf course, you guys who like to deny he said what he said come by it honestly: https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-increases-hostility-reporters-questioning-coronavirus-crisis-001810341.html
DeleteWith us both at home and little work to do remotely, my wife has little to do but follow me around with her riding crop, making sure I am doing my chores properly. She has banned me from wearing clothes in the house "for the duration." She gets a minimum of three orgasms a day or I get a bedtime whipping. We are having so much DD fun.
ReplyDeletePete
Pete- So awesome to hear. Hmmmmmmm very very nice that your clothes have been taken for the duration, that has to be a bit of an exciting dynamic seeing as it is for a protracted period rather than just a couple hours or so.
DeleteI hope everyone continues to be well.
DeleteMy wife has also been in rare form, especially this afternoon. We both finished work early and Carol felt like some tea. As we were having tea and talking she seemed to drift into mistress territory. She said something like, "Since I'm Mistress of the house, we'll go over a few things now. When I cook or bake during the week, you own kitchen cleanup. You own weekend cooking and kitchen cleanup." Then she said she wants to do a weekly review of my chores because she wasn't happy with the countertops this morning. She wants them clean and free of junk. And, she wants the sink clean. She went on and said she was annoyed I had to be told to move wash into the dryer (I had forgotten). Carol told me that she's found an interesting blog put out by a woman who's a mistress (she won't tell me which one). This blog gave her new ideas she wants to try. The thing Carol was really annoyed about was when a friend visited a couple of weeks ago. The lady had called her today and her call reminded Carol that I contradicted her in a disrespectful way in front of a guest. She said if I do it again she'll make me wear red panties all week. It was interesting and a turn on listening to her. I apologized over and over.
LH
Good to know some are having fun and using their time well!
DeleteDan,
DeleteI think to a great extent we might not be having such a level of "fun", for the lack of a better word, but we had started to notch up our FLR before the crisis really broke as far as staying home, and we knew our children (our primary concern) were going to be in their homes and both in relative safety. If anything, our relationship (both intimate and fun) helps a difficult time to pass. I'm so happy that the people that I work with seem to have pulled together as a team as well, making the most of the bad situation. Working remotely is tough enough.
LH
Um reminder......This blog is a curated resource for those genuinely and positively interested in DD and FLR lifestyles. Comments that are rude, uncivil, inconsistent with the blog's theme or off-topic may not be posted or may be removed.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU TOMY!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteI noticed that the Venus and Cupid blog highlighted on your Blogs I Like list, has posted a thoughtful piece on the vital importance of excellent communication. I recommend it as a good read.
ReplyDeleteToo bad there is no obvious way for me to comment on there.
"Male Chastity Journal" is another blog highlighted on the “Blogs I like” list. In this blog, I found quite interesting a recent posting by "Lion" about "consistent and binary spanking," described in some detail, and advocated: "You probably won’t be surprised that I got myself in trouble on Sunday. Actually, my goof was on Saturday. I forgot to set up the coffee pot. When Sunday morning rolled around, Mrs. Lion had to take care of the coffee. Actually, I pointed out to her that I forgot before she got up. I figured I could go in to take care of it on Sunday morning. Nope. She pointed out that I want her to be consistent and binary. Yup, I do. So spanking is on the Sunday agenda." The word “consistent” is clear enough; the word “binary” means that spankings are given at the same level of intensity with no regard to the severity of the offence that earned the spanking. An interesting concept that makes sense to me.
DeleteI like that blog, too, though I'm not into some of the infantalizing aspects. I'm not sure why he doesn't have it set up for comments. Though, after some of this week's exchanges here, maybe I just answered by own question.
DeleteROFL....
DeleteFor those of you who are in a relationship and are contemplating "reset" or "bootcamp" etc. The theme I mentioned above; about the Venus and Cupid Blog focusing on communication is spot on.
ReplyDeleteI see that for some it is already improving in the context of quarantine. What I can share about that is communication was by far the most critical; and often challenging, but liberating element in Aunt Kay's DWC philosophy.
And that means much more than talking about DD. It means using this precious opportunity to invest in discovering/rediscovering the nooks and crannies of your partners interests, desires, feelings, etc. It's intention effort I am suggesting. Patiently inviting next and next level conversation about things. You know what I'm talking about.
Tomy,
Delete"And that means much more than talking about DD. It means using this precious opportunity to invest in discovering/rediscovering the nooks and crannies of your partners interests, desires, feelings, etc. "
Since wife and I have recently made a reset of our own for her taking on a more dominant role as Mistress, I totally agree about the need for communication and knowing more about your partner. It is interesting that my wife really didn't think I wanted more from our FLR when I had mentioned a few times it over the last couple of years (When our youngest married and moved out it made it easier for me to bring it up). My wife thought it was mostly talk. It was uncomfortable to bring it up in stronger ways because I didn't want to push my wife and we already had a fun relationship. Carol had read some of my comments on Dan’s blog about my desire for her to take on a more dominant role when the blog subject included Dan's list of discipline related questions, and that prompted a fast reset. Before that, I wasn’t communicating effectively. We talk and communicate more, and since working home our communication has been on a more effective level.
LH
I've wondered how many wives that have had this introduced to them by hubby have had the same quandary about how much of it is fun erotic banter by hubby rather than us trying to express our true needs and feelings
DeleteDarren,
DeleteGood question. I've wondered that too. I think there must be many wives, and husbands, with uncertainty when spouses bring up D/s, discipline or related changes. Another reason I never strongly pressed my wife about taking on a stronger mistress role is because I was a little intimidated by her intelligence. She got straight A's in college when I first met her. She completed a masters program with us having small kids, and she later attended tech school for certificates for the type of analysis job she does. Now I know that intelligence doesn't mean a person would be for or against any type of relationship, but I mistakenly figured it about my wife. On top of that, she was generally in charge anyway since she provided the discipline and she basically had to sign off on things. So, I thought that she wouldn't be interest in more.
LH
Hello Dan!
ReplyDeleteAs you already know, Shilo had to retire a little over 13 months ago due to his cancer. Then, 7 weeks ago, the company Stitch worked for had a massive layoff. We've all managed to get through this whole "stay at home" thing okay. I try to get out once a week for necessities, but my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) makes it difficult. I really need some sun!
Anyway, we’re mostly doing Netflix and chill plus clearing out the DVR when we can. Nobody has gotten sick, but I’m the only one going out due to Shilo’s resistance being so low. A local friend’s girlfriend is very sick with COVID-19, and Long Beach (CA where I live) reported it’s first death on Monday.
Texts, emails, Facebook, and Fetlife is my current form of communication, and a few friends have been using something called ZOOM. About a month ago, I started a new relationship with a male sub, which is now on hold indefinitely, so I’m not holding my breath.
My “good deeds” consist of doing the shopping for my 71 y/o sister who has dementia, and I’ve offered to do it for others, but so far, no takers.
I’m glad you’re writing, politics or not.
Merry, Best wishes and admiration as you struggle through such an exceedingly difficult time in your life and the lives of your loved ones.
DeleteWe hear you and understand.
Hi Merry. I'm sorry everything is going so badly right now. It would be nice if life at least used lubricant, wouldn't it?
DeleteAll the best to you, Merry.
DeleteLiz
Merry,
DeleteMy best wishes and a prayer for you and your family.
LH
Thank you Dan, Tomy, Liz and LH!
DeleteHonestly, I feel we're doing much better than some. Since Shilo has been home so long, we kind of got into a routine, so Stitch has been trying to adjust. This is hard for everyone, so I'm grateful for cable, Netflix, and internet.
Joe2 here,
ReplyDeleteDan you might want to reconsider your picture with Trump on it. The investigative reporter John Stossel just wrote an article right on point. The article is called "The Red Tape Pandemic." The following is an extract:
"When coronavirus appeared, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made its own tests and insisted that people only use those CDC tests. But the CDC test often gave inaccurate results. Some early versions of the test couldn't distinguish between coronavirus and water.
Private companies might have offered better tests, and more of them, but that wasn't allowed. The World Health Organization even released information on how to make such tests, but our government still said no. Instead, all tests must go through the government's cumbersome approval process. That takes months. Or years.
Hundreds of labs had the ability to test for the virus, but they weren't allowed to test.
As a result, doctors can't be sure exactly where outbreaks are happening. Instead of quarantining just sick people, state governors are forcing entire states to go on lockdown.
At the same time, many people who show no symptoms do have COVID-19. Without widespread testing, we don't know who they are, and so the symptomless sick are infecting others.
A few weeks ago, the government finally gave up its monopoly and said it was relaxing the rules. There would be quick "emergency use authorizations" replacing the months- or years-long wait for approval. But even that took so long that few independent tests were approved.
So President Donald Trump waived those rules, too."
Now tests are finally being made. But that delay killed people. It's still killing people.
I have followed John Stossel for years. His articles are well documented and well thought out.
Joe2, I don't disagree, and I don't think anyone with much knowledge of the health care system would hold FDA or CDC procedures up as a model for others to follow. But, the point of the poster reflects that the President said straight out that he didn't want to admit a cruise ship with US passengers back into the U.S., not because he was concerned about the virus spreading but because he thought the increased infection statistics would make him look bad. He said it. I know there is this attitude among some of his supporters that of "Don't believe what you see with your own eyes or hear within your own ears," but he said what he said and it reflects perfectly the way he makes decisions.
Deletewelllllllll....is that what he said?..."I didn't want to admit a cruise ship with US passengers back into the U.S., not because I'm concerned about the virus spreading but because I think the increased infection statistics would make me look bad"...?.......thats sounding a bit like Schiff's reading of a ficticious reading of the Ukrainian call that didnt in any way resemble the actual transcript that was out and available at the time he did he's slap stick version....
DeleteWell, you can look it up just as easily as I can post the clip if you like. Please do, then let me know what the material difference is from how I characterized his post. Like Schiff, I never claimed I wasn't characterizing what he said. But, that isn't the issue, is it? The issue is whether the paraphrase reflects a different meaning than what he actually said. Does it?
DeleteDan, I wish you would delete and in the future not allow these nasty political comments. When they are included, the blog is not for us.
ReplyDeleteArthur and Liz
"Censorship is to art as lynching is to justice".
DeleteHenry Louis Gates
hmmmmmmmm......of course i'd never say ...i told you so...LOL
DeleteMy politics...."If nominated I will not run, and if elected I will not serve."
ReplyDeleteTomy: If that's your platform, you have my vote! ;-)
DeleteLyndon Baines Johnson. I am a history buff.
DeleteArthur
Thank you Joe2 :)
ReplyDeleteFacts are a stubborn thing.
Are they? I thought your side was into "alternative facts"?
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