Sunday, June 15, 2025

After the Spanking and the Strictness -- Seeing Her in a Different Light (Meeting 521)

 “A lot of people would say 'sexy' is about the body. But to me, 'sexy' is a woman with confidence. I admire women who have very little fear.” - Allegra Versace

 Hello all. Welcome back to The Disciplinary Couple’s Club.  Our weekly on-line gathering of men and women who are in, or would like to be in, a Domestic Discipline relationship.

 

I thought I wouldn't be posting this weekend but ended up having more time than I anticipated today.  I'd pre-drafted a couple of posts, so I decided to go ahead and this one out.

 

I hope you all had a great week. We had a special family event, which was great, but I'm now totally exhausted. 


I’ve been getting a lot of mileage out of a single comment from a few weeks ago, but here is another snippet from a commenter going by “DD”, which I’ll use to introduce this week’s topic.  He left it when we were talking about “zero tolerance”.

 

“My wife was the one who was very strict out of the gate and she has continued to be strict. I get spanked somewhat less often only because I am better behaved. I would never try to force my wife to enforce a zero tolerance policy but she is that way on her own. It took some adjustment initially and it certainly changed our relationship dynamic to something more FLR, and I see her differently than I used to. I have a new/different respect for her and see her as the authority in the relationship. She says she still sees me the same but she does treat me differently in her role."

 

The highlighted portion of DD’s comment resonated with me, for a couple of reasons.  

 

First, in our discussion regarding “zero tolerance”, we talked about one of the ironies of many DD relationships: The wives may be concerned that being strict or showing her authority strongly will be perceived as being “bitchy” or overly controlling, yet many of the husbands fantasize about a wife who exercises that sort of strictness and displays a dominant kind of confidence.

 

Second, I feel like after so many years of doing this, Anne and I are again on the threshold of a step-change in her exercise of authority and the strictness with which she approaches disciplining me.

 

DD’s wife apparently came to strictness naturally, though it also seems that being subjected to it over time has increased, or changed the nature of, his respect for her, culminating in him seeing her as “the authority in the relationship.”

 

That’s what Anne and I are expressly aiming for; a relationship in which we both see her as “the” authority in the relationship.  She's been carrying through with it lately, and it definitely has me feeling a different level of respect.  Not that I haven't respected her over the years. But, this feels . . . different.

 


We’ve talked about it many times over the years, but it’s never quite seemed to gel.

 

That’s not to say that she hasn’t gotten more confident in exercising authority over the years.  She has. But, it’s been incremental and inconsistent.

 

Some women are born empowered and dominant. It sounds like DD’s wife may be one of them. I’ve had female bosses, and female executives as clients, who exuded power and authority. It seemed to come naturally to them.

 


On the other hand, others must learn it.  And, I do believe that confidence can be learned, authority can be taken up as opportunities arise, and a taste for power can be acquired. 

 

As I've said before, my wife is not a naturally dominant person.  Between the two of us, my personality is by far the more brash and aggressive. 

 

But, largely because of our domestic discipline relationship, her confidence in herself and comfort level with her own power have grown and developed over time. 

 

However, because “getting in my face” doesn’t come naturally to her, we’ve had to try to create the right conditions and “permission structures”, if you will, to drill it deeply into her heart and soul that I really do want her to be more strict and powerful in dealing with me.  We've talked a lot about how she needs to make herself "expect respect."  And make my bottom pay the price if I revert to form and fail to respect her place in the hierarchy.



Submitting to her disciplinary spankings is a virtuous circle.  As she orders spankings more often, and sees me submit to those orders over and over again, her confidence in her own authority builds. In exercising power, she grows more powerful, and she learns to enjoy exercising that power. More precisely, she starts acknowledging to herself, and to me, that she enjoys power and being in charge.

 

Including exercising more and more power vis-à-vis me.

 

 

As I said, it has been a work in progress for several years. Paradoxically, one way she gained confidence early on entailed limiting her discretion temporarily. We were brand new to disciplinary spankings, and neither of us had any real feel for our limits or, despite the descriptions on the DWC website, what a severe spanking really entailed. 

 

So, we agreed to non-discretionary rules.  Certain offenses would earn a spanking, and we each such offense would earn a certain minimum number of swats with the fraternity paddle. She could give more, but not less.  For the first several weeks, the number of swats was around 6 at the low-end to 20 at the high end.  Though, given that it was a heavy fraternity paddle, twenty was not trivial.

 

Then, I had one especially bad week.  I swallowed hard as I tallied up that week's offenses and realized it came to 60!  I told her that I wasn't sure I could take that many.  The previous weeks of practice had apparently hardened her resolve.  Without missing a beat, she replied, "Then, I guess you shouldn't have behaved so badly.  You will take every single swat you have coming."  And, she delivered. 

 

I still recall that spanking, and I remember having a disquieting feeling as I pulled my pants up over my bruised bottom.  It was the first time I had felt the implications of the fact that, under the sort of DD arrangement we had adopted, the nature or our relationship had, in fact, changed.  

 


She had been empowered, and I had been disempowered.  Given the radical change in the dynamic, I could not help but see her—and myself—in a different light after that spanking.

 

There were other incidents in which I was confronted—via a sore and blistered bottom—that she was changing and was becoming much more willing to enforce her will over me. I recall vividly one time that she spanked me very, very hard for what I saw as a minor issue. I don’t remember the spanking itself very well. What I remember is that I was surprised at how hard she had spanked me and, again, feeling unsteady physically and emotionally as I pulled my pants up, like the ground had shifted under me. 

 

In both those instances, feeling so concretely one’s own disempowerment and loss of autonomy wasn’t pleasant. “Disquieting” is the best word I can come up with, though “humbled” would also be part of it.

 

 

However, that feeling of disquiet was, in the coming days, enhanced—not replaced—with an increased admiration and respect for her personal power and authority.

 

I felt a deference to her that I sure as hell never felt for any boss at work, and it had something to do with her expressing her power regardless of how I felt about it.  

 

Yet, a few nights ago, as we had a discussion about what increased “strictness” would look like, the archetype that seemed to resonate for both of us was that of a boss. 

 

Bosses don’t need to be mean or nasty. But, good ones have a confident demeanor that lets everyone know they are in charge.  They set the rules and can be rigorous in enforcing them.  They know that sometimes an employee needs to be kept on a tight leash and subjected to progressive discipline until they get their act together. They can, and at times should, make an employee nervous, or at least very conscious of their place.



I could give her concrete examples of being strict but, in the end, it wasn’t easy to articulate because so much of it is about attitude.

 

I want her to treat me in a way that displays that she believes to her core that she is in charge of my discipline and that, while we may make major decisions together, she has unlimited authority where my behavior is concerned.  It’s about not just exercising power, but knowing inside that she has it, to such an extent that it kind of radiates.

 


It's about both of us accepting that she is the authority in the relationship, as DD put it. 

 

That’s how “seeing her in a new or different light” plays out for us and what we are consciously trying to grow and reinforce.

 

How about you?  Has the DD relationship as a whole, or some particularly strong show of authority or especially painful spanking, caused you to see her in a different light?  Has she come to see herself in a different light? How so?

 

I hope you have a great week.

15 comments:

  1. Not sure how she views herself, but as for myself, I have seen and knew about her authority right from the beginning. As most here know, this is my second 24/7 FLR and when the prior ended, I met my current partner. Upon becoming serious and when she asked me to move in, I totally explained my desires and the kind of lifestyle I was used to and wanted. She was born in Germany and raised strictly as a good number of Europeans are. In the US, she became very educated and worked many jobs before become a schoolteacher. Her husband was an alpha male, so all of her dominant ways faded. We met two years after his death and I asked her about taking charge of our relationship and household. This may have unleashed her long hidden dominant side. After the discussion I asked her if she was able and willing to take charge, including the administration of discipline. She assured me her European upbringing and the years of teaching school had prepared her for something like this. Her final statement in that discussion was 'If this the the kind of relationship you want, she could handle it and believe me I KNOW how to spank. So I was aware of her authority right from day one and I have related my 'day one' experience here before.

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    1. Anne was a teacher too, but she started long after corporal punishment was no longer allowed. But, I do think that teachers (ones that survive, anyway) learn quickly how to project authority and stay in charge.

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  2. Dan,
    I know the feeling about being exhausted entertaining family and friends. I did it for an extended period of time in France and Italy and came back exhausted. I can comprehend your frustration and exhaustion. I like the saying at the top of the page. For me, my wife’s kindness and laid back attitude drew me into her. She is beautiful, but not what some would describe as a bomb shell. She is demure and the quiet girl next door. As for DD’s saying, I have to disagree with how she views him. Just my opinion, but how could she view him the same way given the full FLR. I admire his wife for coming out of the gate strict and firm. I will say I’m a bit jealous in that category. I also think it’s great for SC. There’s something about a school teacher giving you a serious bare spanking. My wife is like yours, she is not a dominant individual. I am aggressive and have no problem telling you off. I have never backed down from anyone. DD for us is still a learning curve. She is much more aggressive in attacking my attitude and nipping it in the bud. If I get loud, she will tell me lower my voice or else. She does fall short at times punishing for bad behavior immediately. I think our curve changed a few years back. I remember one thrashing where I called her a name and felt bad afterwards. She flat out said you need a beating. She whipped me but good and I remember afterwards hugging and kissing her forehead. I felt different about her then. The strapping was long and fierce. I remember my bottom being swollen and bruised. I could barely pull my underwear up the next day. It felt uncomfortable to sit. She asked me how’s your bottom today? I would say sore and she would say good, you deserve it. She would say, I’m much more confident in addressing his behavior and telling him to cut the crap. I do wish she was a bit stricter like DD or SC wives , but my wife isn’t built that way. I love her for correcting my behavior. SC, I knew a family who housed a German foreign exchange student. She was a female high school student. She was light years ahead of her US peers. She was aggressive and dominant. A friends Mother said she was a handful. Not to generalize, but those women look like they can run a roost.
    T

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    1. I'm an introvert and, while I've gotten more extraverted over time (or I had to fake it for so many years at work that it almost feels true now), but one thing that doesn't change is being around crowds just drains my energy. Though, part of it was self-created. There was a party involved, and a good time was had by all. In my case until about 1:00 am. I'm too old for that crap . . .

      Usually, after Anne has delivered one of those "hurts to pull my underwear up" spankings, I feel an increased level of respect, and I tend to get very affectionate immediately after. In the incidents I described above though, there definitely was a disconcerting aspect, realizing that things had really changed that I was going to be held to account to whatever extent she decided, and that I really wasn't in charge of myself to the extent I once was.

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    2. I can’t agree with your statement more. We are similar in that regards. I get very affectionate as well and a bit clingy. I actually wish she would see that or maybe she does. It’s very interesting to not be in control of yourself during this time.
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  3. I'm fortunate that my wife was a quick learner when it came to administering a spanking. Still, I can remember talking with her after the fourth one that I had earned. She wanted to know where this was headed. Was I going to learn anything from our sessions? Did she need to spank me longer and harder? I replied that both of those adjustments were needed. That conversation took place in a calm moment, but she remembered it well the next time I was disciplined. I had given her clear authority to do what was needed and it changed the relationship even more than the first spanking had. She definitely spanked harder, but it was the duration that increased the most. Her confidence grew and I learned about the cumulative effect of a lengthy spanking.
    Kevin

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    1. It's such an interesting dynamic -- things like honest conversations in which you tell her honestly that you need to be spanked harder. I don't deny at all the erotic component of DD, but one reason I get angry at people who suggest it's *all* just about sex is that so many of us do request that punishments be real, i.e. that they be long and hard enough to actually make us learn from them.

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  4. DD is such a complicated dynamic. While it clearly is focused on changing behavior, and we do want the spankings to feel "real", there is always a sexual component as well, at least for me. That doesn't mean it is "all about sex", but rather, it really is all about power. I seem to be in the minority, in that I seldom get seriously punished any more, because our DD has been so successful that I no longer behave in ways that earn me hard spankings. Occasionally I still feel the need for a hard spanking, and want to be pushed to my limit. Fortunately, we discovered that she can get that reaction by giving me several minutes of non stop paddling with very little warm up. It isn't necessarry to spank as hard as she would giving me a real punishment spanking.

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    1. To me, the mistake is in thinking that is "all about" any one factor. I think that what distinguishes DD from things like Femdom is that one component is a genuine desire for changing behavior and/or personal accountability. But, it is also about power. And also about eroticism. And maybe also about wanting to replicate some parental power dynamic. And, also . . .

      My point being that I think there are lots of individual factors that come into play around why people feel a need for this kind of lifestyle and, while the ingredients overlap, the precise measures of those ingredients vary enormously.

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  5. Hello Dan! And All. This is a quite interesting topic. I can remember a few times in the last 2 1/2 years of our FLR/DD F/m dynamic that she has delivered a larger statement of authority than normal. It has usually involved me behaving poorly while violating my drinking limits or attempting to control the FLR. The latter is more recent. As Lauren has gained confidence in her role She has come to really dislike when I try to guide the discipline. Any suggestions of implements, duration or severity have been generally been met with strong scolding during discipline that She is the one in control. I’m not to direct severity or implements or duration.

    “It was the first time I had felt the implications of the fact that, under the sort of DD arrangement we had adopted, the nature or our relationship had, in fact, changed.”

    It is during these moments of being scolded for attempting to control while being severely disciplined…to the point where I almost panic about when or even if She is going to stop that I feel the relationship has changed and there is no going back. In fact She has made it clear very recently verbalizing during Discipline that She is in control, Not me. “I will decide, when, how hard, how long and with what implements…Understand?” That She said after I had tried to introduce the cane for what was obviously too many times. It really irritated Her! She has recently become quite more strict. We recently had a short trip involving friends and family and during a weekly check in session before the trip She specifically called for me to have a Perfect trip or there would be Hell to pay when we get home. Well I did have a great trip I think, but Not Perfect so I know something is coming soon. It seems almost as if the better I get the more strict and intolerant She becomes. The bar just gets raised higher and higher. I’m not regretting introducing FLR, but the increased levels of control do sometimes make me second guess the arrangement. No rationale to contemplating that. There is no going back. She has embraced her role and I dearly love her for it. I am a much more like able person and still mostly a strong leading, dominant person in every other aspect of life….I’m just very submissive to Her. And it’s done wonders for my relationship with Her and almost every other person in my life.

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    1. This is all great stuff, though I realize it may not feel so great as it is happening. I think many of us are attracted to DD because we have abnormally high levels of control in our daily lives, and something about putting aside the burden of that control and letting someone else take the reins is highly attractive. But, that's all abstract theory. The rubber meets the road what that someone else *actually* takes the reins. When confronted with that reality, our inner control freak wigs out, because it cuts against the grain of how we've lived all the rest of our lives.

      But, as you say, while it is uncomfortable as it is happening, it has amazing long term benefits. And, that's kind of personal growth in general, right? It's seldom easy or comfortable as it is happening.

      I get the discomfort about her becoming more strict. It's happening with us too and, even though I asked for it, it does cause second thoughts sometimes. But, again, that's because it's real, and that's what I want but the fact that I want it doesn't make it much easier when it's a new thing and I'm having to adjust to it. I'm definitely not griping -- I love that I've asked for this and she is responding to it more and more but, as you say, I know it's not going to be easy as the bar gets raised higher and higher.

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  6. Honestly, I think it ebbs and flows. She will often have that satisfied look and feel after doling out a good thrashing. It tends to last a couple of days and then the effects of the spanking wear off both of us. I have journaled about this to her a few times, about taking and keeping control but she says that life often gets in the way, that it is hard being dominant all the time and she just doesn’t see spanking as the correct or ideal response to every incident. TB

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    1. I was just talking to Aunt Kay's husband about the "ebb and flow" thing this morning. For me, it definite does ebb and flow, and it doesn't seem to have all that much to do with how recently I've been spanked. It feels almost like a hormonal thing. Sometimes my interest is low (like right now), and other times is it very high (like a couple of weeks ago), with no real objective reason. Though, there are times when my desire to get spanked spikes for the obvious reason that I did something that I feel a strong need to be held accountable for.

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  7. Dan, everything you say about her becoming more strict and raising the bar makes perfect sense. We also did our version of that, and now, things are pretty much how she wants them to be. We do not have a FLR, and we have our own money, but she does have the authority to spank for any reason. Though I occasionally still forget to put the seat down or break some other little rule, I no longer do anything to really piss her off any more. The main reason I still get spankings is simply for maintenance. I requested she increase the level of intensity of those, and she has. Now we have arrived at this place in our DD, it would be interesting to learn if anybody else has found themselves in a similar situation. It could even be a topic to discuss ( what will your DD look like if she gets everything she wants?)

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